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T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50

Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2007, 11:05:11 AM »
i'm not sure where people get these "top 10%" of the class figures.  i haven't seen any actual data to support this.  never mind that the national reach of schools outside of HYSCCN really depends...in other words they are not truly national schools. 
i've seen some anecdotal evidence of people coming out of schools like WUSTL in the top 30% landing BIGLAW gigs.  what about people going into IP, certainly saying that they need to graduate in the to 10% of their class from a school like, UMN, seems a little high.  What about ND, a school ranked at the bottom of the top third ? they have pretty impressive placement, especially in the coasts.  do you think that a student at WI needs to graduate in the top 10% of his class to land a job at Foley and Lardner in Milwaukee (vault 100, certainly BIGLAW)? 
if i were the OP i would take this advice with a grain of salt until the poster provides some data to support these "top 10%" claims for schools who are solidly tier one and have a solid regional presence.

You need to work on your writing

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Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2007, 04:54:34 PM »
@ the guy who said FSU is academically light-years beyond UF?

I'm guessing you've never attended either one. UF > FSU in US News ranking. UF > FSU by lightyears in Tax law. UF > FSU significantly in environmental law. UF Law library > FSU law library by appx. 20% or more, including a vastly superior rare book room. FSU = only 25% of matriculated students in 2007 had an LSAT over 162.

Lets not even get into how abysmal the FSU faculty senate system, student government association, and administration staff are. UF, on the other hand, has one of the most pleasant and efficient staff that I've ever worked with.

UF's alumni network s outstanding across the nation. FSU's is moderate, and second best even in the south.

As an FSU alum, I could never recommend that school to anyone.

Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2007, 05:26:56 PM »
@ the guy who said FSU is academically light-years beyond UF?

I'm guessing you've never attended either one. UF > FSU in US News ranking. UF > FSU by lightyears in Tax law. UF > FSU significantly in environmental law. UF Law library > FSU law library by appx. 20% or more, including a vastly superior rare book room. FSU = only 25% of matriculated students in 2007 had an LSAT over 162.

Lets not even get into how abysmal the FSU faculty senate system, student government association, and administration staff are. UF, on the other hand, has one of the most pleasant and efficient staff that I've ever worked with.

UF's alumni network s outstanding across the nation. FSU's is moderate, and second best even in the south.

As an FSU alum, I could never recommend that school to anyone.


I think you misread his/her post. He never said FSU is academically light-years beyond UF. He actually wrote that UF is light years better than FSU for undergrad.

I think his point, which he supported with convincing data, was that FSU looks to be academically superior as a law school to UF (your anecdotal experiences with the pleasant staff at UF notwithstanding).

Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2007, 07:34:40 PM »
To the UF, FSU rebuttal: What does interactions with the adminsistration really have to do with it?  As long as FSU gets the jobt done, which I assume they do, who cares?  At the end of the day FSU is a better law school.  Case closed.


But I, too, have a question (somewhat related).  For schools such as Penn, who doesn't rank students, what is the deal?  They still give out grades.  Do employers just not care?  Or do they themselves estimate your given rank soley based on what your grades are?


Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2007, 07:49:08 PM »
To the UF, FSU rebuttal: What does interactions with the adminsistration really have to do with it?  As long as FSU gets the jobt done, which I assume they do, who cares?  At the end of the day FSU is a better law school.  Case closed.


But I, too, have a question (somewhat related).  For schools such as Penn, who doesn't rank students, what is the deal?  They still give out grades.  Do employers just not care?  Or do they themselves estimate your given rank soley based on what your grades are?


Employers have the rough break down of grades and the corresponding percentiles. The real advantage is that top law schools do not allow pre-screening.

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Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2007, 08:58:49 PM »
To the UF, FSU rebuttal: What does interactions with the adminsistration really have to do with it?  As long as FSU gets the jobt done, which I assume they do, who cares?  At the end of the day FSU is a better law school.  Case closed.


But I, too, have a question (somewhat related).  For schools such as Penn, who doesn't rank students, what is the deal?  They still give out grades.  Do employers just not care?  Or do they themselves estimate your given rank soley based on what your grades are?



Uh....no. FSU is decidedly not a better law school, case not closed.

As for what interactions with the administration have to do with it? When you need career services, you have to interact with the administration. When you register, you need the administration. When you get financial aid, you need the administration. When you attend seminars, you deal with the administration. The fact is, you have an extensive amount of contact with the administrative staff in law school, significantly more than you do in undergrad. In undergrad, with the exception of my VA certification paperwork, I went to the university center (where the admin offices are) twice between 2001 and 2007. Once to pay a ticket and pick up my graduation tickets, and once to petition for readmission when I was disenrolled after spending 3 semesters in Iraq.

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Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2007, 12:02:22 AM »
To the UF, FSU rebuttal: What does interactions with the adminsistration really have to do with it?  As long as FSU gets the jobt done, which I assume they do, who cares?  At the end of the day FSU is a better law school.  Case closed.


But I, too, have a question (somewhat related).  For schools such as Penn, who doesn't rank students, what is the deal?  They still give out grades.  Do employers just not care?  Or do they themselves estimate your given rank soley based on what your grades are?



Uh....no. FSU is decidedly not a better law school, case not closed.

As for what interactions with the administration have to do with it? When you need career services, you have to interact with the administration. When you register, you need the administration. When you get financial aid, you need the administration. When you attend seminars, you deal with the administration. The fact is, you have an extensive amount of contact with the administrative staff in law school, significantly more than you do in undergrad. In undergrad, with the exception of my VA certification paperwork, I went to the university center (where the admin offices are) twice between 2001 and 2007. Once to pay a ticket and pick up my graduation tickets, and once to petition for readmission when I was disenrolled after spending 3 semesters in Iraq.

If you attend UF or FSU's law school how would you know what the administrations are like?

Well considering that you deal with them every day, from the undergrad, through the admissions process. Or if you're referring to me specifically, I went to FSU, and I have a family member that is a visiting lecturer at UF law.

Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2007, 01:24:41 AM »
SWAT, it's obvious that you have a vested interest in promoting UF's law school- perhaps that is because that is where you are going.  It doesn't matter to me.  The issue is UF vs FSU, and FSU is decicively ranked higher than UF, so you might as well accept this fact and realize that the fact that UF's admin gives out free lollipops in the waiting room does little to boost its standing in the "real world."

Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2007, 01:31:56 AM »
UF is ranked higher still...47 vs 52...also look at the reputation scores...

FSU gives a person an evenmore uphill fight for getting biglaw in Atlanta and Miami than UF does...(In fact honestly Miami has a better alumni network than FSU).

FSU has better LSAT averages from last year only...i bet this year UF will trump FSU...UF's entering class is at least 40ish smaller than 2006 and everybody who got into UF got into FSU, (the reverse does not hold true.)

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Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2007, 04:50:42 PM »
SWAT, it's obvious that you have a vested interest in promoting UF's law school- perhaps that is because that is where you are going.  It doesn't matter to me.  The issue is UF vs FSU, and FSU is decicively ranked higher than UF, so you might as well accept this fact and realize that the fact that UF's admin gives out free lollipops in the waiting room does little to boost its standing in the "real world."


Apparently you haven't read my thread, nor my blog, which explicitly states I go to American University, in Washington. Yes, I got into UF, and FSU law. FSU was never a consideration once I got into UF.

Fact is UF is ranked higher, especially in next years rankings when the S/F ratio numbers settle (they were artificially inflated because UF combined their fall and spring class into a single class, which affected the rankings.) FSU has always been ranked significantly lower than UF: in fact 47 to 52 is the closest that FSU has ever come.

You'll note that even DC and NY biglaw firms hire UF grads. They don't generally recruit for FSU.

It sounds like you've made your mind up without attempting to consider the facts.