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Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2007, 07:15:57 PM »
aright w/e man, i'm done arguing with you...this clearly isn't going anywhere lol...

a wise man once said "we'll agree to disagree" - Sir Ron Burgandy

i think you're full of *&^%, call me naive but the world isnt one big scam, you can call me a paralegal or a secretary w/e you want, i'm obviously not a lawyer lol or else we wouldnt be having a conversation, so i think being a paralegal and/or secretary is better than nothin'.  basically, i'm not a lawyer, so idk what there is to be passionate about yet...i dont need to justify myself to u tho lol. 

as for you...u tell me its all a waste if it isnt the cream of the crop...i still ask u to prove it.

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2007, 07:22:27 PM »
to be honest i agree with absk8r77 on this one.. =)

When the guy with a flasher as his moniker agrees with you . . .

This was a pretty sad discussion. Poor confused absk8 is about to get pwned by a tier 2 law school.

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2007, 07:25:45 PM »
hahahahahaha...its unfortunate the rest of the LSD community couldnt provide input on the "sad discussion"

ps...ur f-in icon is a Wii controller, pardon my french, but shut the @#!* up.  what does that tell people, that u male private part around all day b/w online forums and ur video game system designed for mature 11 yr olds?

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2007, 07:27:48 PM »
wow the sites translation of my potty mouth really puts a serious damper on the attitude im tryin to get across lol

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2007, 09:30:09 PM »
Ok......reiterating my previous point, my dad is a partner of his firm, makes somewhere in the realm of 200k per year, and went to American University (Tier 2).  He spent 60k on tuition (not including interest).  I have met a few of his classmates over the years, who also seem to be doing quite well (1 owns his own patent law firm, another was the chief of staff of a congresswoman, another works as a tax attorney at a large D.C. firm.  If you would like websites to their firms, I would be happy to furnish them for you.

And honestly, if we are only able to get into T2 schools, then it is likely that we aren't going to get into Harvard for anything else either.  And it is also unlikely that we are going to get huge paying jobs with our 3.3 undergrad GPA's or whatever we have.

So, we appreciate your looking out for us, but why don't you take the conversation to people playing the lottery everyday?  At least we have a legitimate chance to improve our lives.  And if we don't do well, so what?  You shouldn't care anyways, we won't be homeless, and at least our kids will have more knowledge handed to them than we likely had.  Let us worry about ourselves, and go bask in your glory for being admitted to a great school.

Likewise, we will bask in our mediocrity.  I'm content, no matter how law school turns out.  I've met all kinds of interesting people, and made many friends along the way.

By the way, would you say the same thing to athletes who went to non-Division 1-A schools?  I'm sure it is easier to make it to the NFL if you went to Miami, or Ohio State, but what about Jerry Rice (Mississippi Valley State), Walter Payton (Jackson State), Terrell Owens (Tennessee-Chattanooga), Michael Strahan (my alma mater, Texas Southern).

They are the exception to the rule, but they did great things.

What about Mark Lanier, the owner of the firm who successfully sued Vioxx (clients awarded 253 million in damages), and his Tier 3 law school Texas Tech University?

What of the 56 lawyers who attended my Tier 2 law school, and are now working at Baker Botts?  What of the 15 of those who made partner?

We have read your advice telling us not to go to law school.  We choose to ignore it.  Stop wasting your typing, and go study.  Oh, that's right, I forgot, you don't have to study, because you are at a top school, and as long as you graduate you are going to get a great job (no matter what your grades are  ;)).  Damn!

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Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2007, 10:38:01 PM »
Wiimote, I think they charge a tax on "prepared" foods.  I think they do not charge a tax on groceries.

We've got those too.

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2007, 10:24:05 AM »
I think the main gist of the article is to forewarn people about salary prospects immediately after graduation.

People also assume that the harder you work in law school, the higher your GPA will be. Being in law school for two years, I can tell you that constantly studying will not necessarily lead you to better grades. The people who post on LSD are a select group...they obviously take going to law school seriously and are willing to work hard once in law school. But reading the posts I have come across on here, I get the feeling that a lot of posters are banking on the fact that they will be in the top 10-25% of their respective class. 

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2007, 10:26:33 AM »
I think the main gist of the article is to forewarn people about salary prospects immediately after graduation.

People also assume that the harder you work in law school, the higher your GPA will be. Being in law school for two years, I can tell you that constantly studying will not necessarily lead you to better grades. The people who post on LSD are a select group...they obviously take going to law school seriously and are willing to work hard once in law school. But reading the posts I have come across on here, I get the feeling that a lot of posters are banking on the fact that they will be in the top 10-25% of their respective class. 

Stop 25% at Houston will get you jack *&^%. You need top 10%.

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Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2007, 12:53:31 PM »
Ok......reiterating my previous point, my dad is a partner of his firm, makes somewhere in the realm of 200k per year, and went to American University (Tier 2).  He spent 60k on tuition (not including interest).  I have met a few of his classmates over the years, who also seem to be doing quite well (1 owns his own patent law firm, another was the chief of staff of a congresswoman, another works as a tax attorney at a large D.C. firm.  If you would like websites to their firms, I would be happy to furnish them for you.

And honestly, if we are only able to get into T2 schools, then it is likely that we aren't going to get into Harvard for anything else either.  And it is also unlikely that we are going to get huge paying jobs with our 3.3 undergrad GPA's or whatever we have.

So, we appreciate your looking out for us, but why don't you take the conversation to people playing the lottery everyday?  At least we have a legitimate chance to improve our lives.  And if we don't do well, so what?  You shouldn't care anyways, we won't be homeless, and at least our kids will have more knowledge handed to them than we likely had.  Let us worry about ourselves, and go bask in your glory for being admitted to a great school.

Likewise, we will bask in our mediocrity.  I'm content, no matter how law school turns out.  I've met all kinds of interesting people, and made many friends along the way.

By the way, would you say the same thing to athletes who went to non-Division 1-A schools?  I'm sure it is easier to make it to the NFL if you went to Miami, or Ohio State, but what about Jerry Rice (Mississippi Valley State), Walter Payton (Jackson State), Terrell Owens (Tennessee-Chattanooga), Michael Strahan (my alma mater, Texas Southern).

They are the exception to the rule, but they did great things.

What about Mark Lanier, the owner of the firm who successfully sued Vioxx (clients awarded 253 million in damages), and his Tier 3 law school Texas Tech University?

What of the 56 lawyers who attended my Tier 2 law school, and are now working at Baker Botts?  What of the 15 of those who made partner?

We have read your advice telling us not to go to law school.  We choose to ignore it.  Stop wasting your typing, and go study.  Oh, that's right, I forgot, you don't have to study, because you are at a top school, and as long as you graduate you are going to get a great job (no matter what your grades are  ;)).  Damn!


This is a good post that pretty much touches on all sides.  People should post the info about the crappy job prospects facing those not at the tip top of T3 classes so that people know what they are getting into.  People that know what the situation is and choose to go anyway shouldn't be chastized they should be wished good luck and left alone.  You know the risks, you know the rewards, you know what you are getting into.  Good luck.

Seriously guys, I'm all for making sure people know the job prospects aren't good and I'm all for talking about the "Scam" that some low end career service offices pull to make it look like their grads will have good enough job prospects, but where does anybody get off taking shots and people that know this and choose to go anyway?

Good luck guys, I wouldn't have the guts to make this type of 150K gamble, but one way to big rewards is to take big risks. Good luck.

Re: Salary Reality: Many Lawyers Don't Earn Big Bucks
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2007, 12:02:25 AM »
You know what? @#!* Law and @#!* law school.

I am not going to bust my balls for three years, be in debt 150K, and work in a system which is dissatisfying and stressful.


You really think making 150k is worth it? After taxes, loan repayments, living expense, etc, you will probably be saving only 20 to 30k. That is not f-ing worth it. My mom will soon make 100k a month through her life insurance business, so @#!* the idea of living a stressful life and making a net gain of f-ing 20 f-ing thousand f-ing dollars.I would rather have a family which I can raise properly and a wife who I will deeply love and care for.

That is all.