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Miami legal market

Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2007, 11:15:02 PM »
Unless you spend most of your time in Hialeah, 99% of the people you encounter in stores, restaurants, etc. will speak English. It is not that bad.  They act like they are put out having to speak English but they do it.

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2007, 08:11:33 AM »
Hhhhmmmmmmm....

Looks like I haven't gotten a straight answer yet.  ;D

Quite a debate on this issue, if I end up going there I guess I should take Spanish classes as a precaution.

As long as you don't isolate yourself to your apartment, school, and the library, it is nearly impossible to live in Miami and not pick up basic Spanish doing everyday things, like reading billboards, shopping at CVS, and asking for directions. It can be a challenge to do that stuff in English down there. 

true. 

I came down to the MIA for LS and UG.  You'll pick it up a little.  But there's hardly anywhere that has solely English speaking individuals so you'll have to get used to it.     

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2007, 08:29:42 AM »
LOL @ Llindbergh, Lindbergh,Lindbergh, Lindbergh  :D

Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2007, 08:36:23 AM »
This is an interesting comment posted on the ATL Miami comments:



I was just a 3L at UM and I love Miami, but here's one secret:

I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese, but when you do OCI, they don't even mention anything about having to speak those languages on any job descriptions. Then, when you show up to the interview, they give you this huge, blank stare when you say you can't speak Spanish/Portuguese. If you can't speak Spanish or Portuguese, be prepared to work in the Fort Lauderdale or West Palm Beach offices, not the shiny ones on Brickell Avenue.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/08/fall_recruiting_open_thread_mi_1.php

This isn't much of a surprise. I've known large firms that advertise screening interviews for offices that don't hire any new/summer associates. There are also IP firms that don't advertise a specific specialty desired and then when people apply and get into the screening interview, the interview will say "Oh we really only wanted mechanical engineers" even though the screeners had the person's background in front of them when choosing him/her to interview.


This sounds more like just an excuse for dinging applicants they personally dislike.  Given what these attorneys bill out at, it wouldn't make much sense to interview candidates clearly lacking requisite skills.

I've known someone who went into an interview, actually knew one of the interviewers beforehand who said "Oh it will be great, don't worry" only to get in and have the other interviewer say, "We aren't really looking for X type of engineer right now" right off the bat. The second interviewer didn't even have time to get to know the person. \

As for the drug crimes- a ton are routed to Tampa right now. I've seen some people go to trial who were pretty high up on the chain but they still got a CJA attorney or a public defender.

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2007, 08:37:16 AM »
LOL @ Llindbergh, Lindbergh,Lindbergh, Lindbergh  :D


Repetition is the key.  ;)

I haven't seen this thread in awhile, and feel compelled to answer every reply.

 lol,cool   ;) :) 

Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2007, 08:46:12 AM »
How good would one's spanish have to be exactly?  I can speak and write french perfectly (probably not that useful in Miami) and I can speak functional conversational spanish.  I could by no means however write a decent legal document in spanish.  Are they looking for people who generally understand spanish to corresond with other offices etc/or are they actually looking for people to do a bulk of their practicing of law in Spanish?

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2007, 01:01:08 PM »
I would have to disagree that Spanish is a requirement. It certainly helps, especially if you want to do international work but it definitely is not a requirement. There are also several strong litigation and bankruptcy practices.


I wouldn't think it was either.  Spanish is certainly spoken in Miami, but it's hardly the dominant language. 

Yes, it is the dominant language spoken in the city. Spanish is the first language of 66.75% of the City of Miami's hosueholds.

http://www.mla.org/map_data_results&state_id=12&county_id=&mode=&zip=&place_id=45000&cty_id=&ll=&a=&ea=&order=r

In all of Miami-Dade County, it is the primary language of 59.25% of households:

http://www.mla.org/map_data_results&state_id=12&county_id=86&mode=geographic&zip=&place_id=&cty_id=&ll=top&a=&ea=&order=r

And the most watch television station in Miami? It isn't FOX, ABC, CBS, or NBC...it's the Univision affiliate:

http://www.univision.net/corp/en/pr/Miami_21062004-2.html (old PR, but it's still #1).




Keep in mind that even if it's the first language of most people in the City, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the "dominant" lanaguage.  Overall, I'm sure more people speak English than speak Spanish.  (Most Spanish-speakers will speak both.)  More importantly (for Biglaw), the people at the top of the socio-economic ladder will mainly speak English.

This is Miami. If you are at the top of the socio-economic ladder in Miami, you definitely, without a doubt, speak Spanish. The most expensive areas in Florida, like Coral Gables, are primarily Spanish speaking areas. If you go into a high-end store like Gucci or Nordstrom, you will be greeted in Spanish and the signs are in Spanish. The wealthiest people in Miami are typically Hispanic, and, more specifically, Cuban and Venezuelan.

My mom works with a client in Miami in a different industry who is ridiculously wealthy, but speaks very little English.

Hispanics in Miami aren't the lower-income types that are typical of other largest, urban areas.

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2007, 01:03:06 PM »
This is an interesting comment posted on the ATL Miami comments:



I was just a 3L at UM and I love Miami, but here's one secret:

I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese, but when you do OCI, they don't even mention anything about having to speak those languages on any job descriptions. Then, when you show up to the interview, they give you this huge, blank stare when you say you can't speak Spanish/Portuguese. If you can't speak Spanish or Portuguese, be prepared to work in the Fort Lauderdale or West Palm Beach offices, not the shiny ones on Brickell Avenue.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/08/fall_recruiting_open_thread_mi_1.php

This isn't much of a surprise. I've known large firms that advertise screening interviews for offices that don't hire any new/summer associates. There are also IP firms that don't advertise a specific specialty desired and then when people apply and get into the screening interview, the interview will say "Oh we really only wanted mechanical engineers" even though the screeners had the person's background in front of them when choosing him/her to interview.


This sounds more like just an excuse for dinging applicants they personally dislike.  Given what these attorneys bill out at, it wouldn't make much sense to interview candidates clearly lacking requisite skills.

Apparently it wasn't that much of an excuse, since it seems he got a job, albeit not in the Miami office:

Also, just to add to the above comment I posted, I did get offers from three BigLaw Miami firms, but none for the Miami offices. I was offered positions in Lauderdale or West Palm Beach because I couldn't speak Spanish or Portuguese. I ended up choosing Ft. Lauderdale and I'm not complaining. It's pretty amazing how much cheaper it is to live twenty five minutes north. Plus, BigLaw pay in South Florida is equal no matter where you are...Miami, Lauderdale, or West Palm.

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2007, 01:04:52 PM »
How good would one's spanish have to be exactly?  I can speak and write french perfectly (probably not that useful in Miami) and I can speak functional conversational spanish.  I could by no means however write a decent legal document in spanish.  Are they looking for people who generally understand spanish to corresond with other offices etc/or are they actually looking for people to do a bulk of their practicing of law in Spanish?

It's tough to say, but as long as you can have a conversation in Spanish, depending on the firm, I would assume you'd be fine.

However, French can substitute for Spanish. Miami has a large French-speaking community, from Quebec, France, and the French Caribbean. Down in Miami there is even a local television channel that broadcasts local news in French (HTN TV), and French radio.

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Re: Miami legal market
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2007, 04:19:42 PM »
have to disagree with u there.  French/creole would be a plus but def not a substitute for Espanol.