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Best top 30 transfer schools?

Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 18, 2007, 02:55:50 PM »
Just curious...Does anyone have any info on how a 1L who does very well first year (top 10-15 %) fares at a transfer to a t14 school?  I've heard that Harvard or NYU is near impossible, as they look at LSAT scores, even though you've already completed your 1L.

Anyone know which ones are more likely to give transfers a chance?  At top 10% in a tier 3, does it even matter?

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 03:01:39 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the top publics are going to be less numbers focused, and more willing to reward demonstrated effort.

A very interesting point...So Berklee (public) would be easier than, say, Penn (private).  However, the public schools' residency requirements might counteract that theory.


Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 04:01:12 PM »
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Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 09:36:22 AM »

Berkeley =3rd best public university in the world

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Oxford and Cambridge are both public  ;)

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 10:05:38 AM »
the easiest schools to transfer into are, as a general matter, those with the largest transfer classes. so, gulc, cls, and nyu. of course, everyone wants to transfer into cls and nyu (most transfer applicants don't really have a shot at hys), so that obviously affects your chances.

edit: what i mean here is basically a lot of this is just supply and demand, same as regular admissions.

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 12:02:10 PM »
the easiest schools to transfer into are, as a general matter, those with the largest transfer classes. so, gulc, cls, and nyu. of course, everyone wants to transfer into cls and nyu (most transfer applicants don't really have a shot at hys), so that obviously affects your chances.

edit: what i mean here is basically a lot of this is just supply and demand, same as regular admissions.

Thanks...Incidentally, there's an entire Yahoo! group devoted to this.  It makes LSD look like a ghosttown.

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 01:03:01 PM »
the easiest schools to transfer into are, as a general matter, those with the largest transfer classes. so, gulc, cls, and nyu. of course, everyone wants to transfer into cls and nyu (most transfer applicants don't really have a shot at hys), so that obviously affects your chances.

edit: what i mean here is basically a lot of this is just supply and demand, same as regular admissions.

Thanks...Incidentally, there's an entire Yahoo! group devoted to this.  It makes LSD look like a ghosttown.

yeah, that's a pretty good group. just to give a bit more info, i transferred into nyu 2 yrs ago.

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Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 01:41:55 PM »
Seriously, if you can manage being top 10 people in your class at a T3, you might have better prospects just staying. Of course this depends on where the school is. Assuming the school is a decent sized legal market, top 10 people will probably get you a better job in that city, than say top 30% at a T25 that is far away. Of course if you donít want to live there, then itís not worth it.

Iím at a T2, and my study partners are 3 of the top 5 people in my class, they are not competing with anyone else for the top jobs in our city (t14 or otherwise, remember many of those schools donít rank), they are 100% for offers for everyplace they have interviewed with. Being numbers 1-5 at any school is an incredible accomplishment. If you can land on the top 5-10 people in your class at a school with a harsh curve, youíre a pretty impressive candidate to local big law or otherwise. Being the big fish in a small pond can pay well, assuming youíre willing to stay local. 


I'm not sure that this always holds, tho - at least not in Albany (which iirc is where the OP is headed?)  A good friend of mine just graduated from Albany in the top 10 (people, not %.)  On LR, good work experience, etc.  He wanted to stay in Albany, so he was only applying to regional firms.  He had a HELL of a time landing a job and it was pretty grim for a while.  If you end up with the #s to transfer into a T14 (and it makes sense for you otherwise), it's probably worth pursuing. 

Of course:
1. this is one example and purely anecdotal, so treat it as such
2. I adore him, but for all I know he's a bad interviewee or something
3. this doesn't detract from the fact that Matthies is 100% right - landing on the top of that curve is a very big deal and not to be sneered at
4. everything worked out for my friend in the end; he got his Albany job and all's well, etc.

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 09:26:24 PM »
to address one part of the OP's question, someone had posted this previously. The first # is the amt of 2L transfers and the second must have been the initial class size...

TRANSFER STATS (2006?)

Increases Class Size by over 20%
Illinois (41) (184)
Washington/St. Louis (51) (241)

Increases Class Size by over 15%
Northwestern (40) (233)
Georgetown (100) (587)

Increases Class Size by over 10%

W&L (18) (125)
Boalt (37) (268)
Emory (28) (207)
Vanderbilt (24) (190)
NYU (51) (444)
UCLA (38) (336)
Columbia (41) (383)
Penn (25) (248)
Michigan (37) (370)

Increases Class Size between 8% and 10%
Cornell (18) (187)
Chicago (18) (192)
Virginia (34) (373)
Fordham (38) (470)
Notre Dame (16) (198)

Increases Class Size between 5% and just under 10%
Stanford (12) (171)
BC (17) (254)
Harvard (34) (557)
W&M (13) (215)
GW (33) (558)
Minnesota (15) (257)

Increases Class Size by under 5%
Duke (10) (205)
Yale (9) (191)
Washington ( 8 ) (179)
USC (9) (214)
Wisconsin (11) (306)
Texas (14) (440)
BU (6) (269)
Iowa (4) (210)
UNC (4) (229)

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 12:28:57 AM »
to address one part of the OP's question, someone had posted this previously. The first # is the amt of 2L transfers and the second must have been the initial class size...

TRANSFER STATS (2006?)

Increases Class Size by over 20%
Illinois (41) (184)
Washington/St. Louis (51) (241)

Increases Class Size by over 15%
Northwestern (40) (233)
Georgetown (100) (587)

Increases Class Size by over 10%

W&L (18) (125)
Boalt (37) (268)
Emory (28) (207)
Vanderbilt (24) (190)
NYU (51) (444)
UCLA (38) (336)
Columbia (41) (383)
Penn (25) (248)
Michigan (37) (370)

Increases Class Size between 8% and 10%
Cornell (18) (187)
Chicago (18) (192)
Virginia (34) (373)
Fordham (38) (470)
Notre Dame (16) (198)

Increases Class Size between 5% and just under 10%
Stanford (12) (171)
BC (17) (254)
Harvard (34) (557)
W&M (13) (215)
GW (33) (558)
Minnesota (15) (257)

Increases Class Size by under 5%
Duke (10) (205)
Yale (9) (191)
Washington ( 8 ) (179)
USC (9) (214)
Wisconsin (11) (306)
Texas (14) (440)
BU (6) (269)
Iowa (4) (210)
UNC (4) (229)


Absolutely...I was especially thinking of Wisconsin, yet found out that they only accept about 10-12 transfer students a year...Not to mention: imagine the stress of finding out in mid-august that you got in, and having to a place to live in like A WEEK or something, esp. if you're in NY and your dream school is thousands of miles away. Gives me the jitters.

Thanks for all the info..I must add: I have yet to even start my 1L...kinda seems like the cart's a bit before the horse at this point.