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Best top 30 transfer schools?

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 01:33:11 AM »
Seriously, if you can manage being top 10 people in your class at a T3, you might have better prospects just staying. Of course this depends on where the school is. Assuming the school is a decent sized legal market, top 10 people will probably get you a better job in that city, than say top 30% at a T25 that is far away. Of course if you donít want to live there, then itís not worth it.

Iím at a T2, and my study partners are 3 of the top 5 people in my class, they are not competing with anyone else for the top jobs in our city (t14 or otherwise, remember many of those schools donít rank), they are 100% for offers for everyplace they have interviewed with. Being numbers 1-5 at any school is an incredible accomplishment. If you can land on the top 5-10 people in your class at a school with a harsh curve, youíre a pretty impressive candidate to local big law or otherwise. Being the big fish in a small pond can pay well, assuming youíre willing to stay local. 


I'm not sure that this always holds, tho - at least not in Albany (which iirc is where the OP is headed?)  A good friend of mine just graduated from Albany in the top 10 (people, not %.)  On LR, good work experience, etc.  He wanted to stay in Albany, so he was only applying to regional firms.  He had a HELL of a time landing a job and it was pretty grim for a while.  If you end up with the #s to transfer into a T14 (and it makes sense for you otherwise), it's probably worth pursuing. 

Of course:
1. this is one example and purely anecdotal, so treat it as such
2. I adore him, but for all I know he's a bad interviewee or something
3. this doesn't detract from the fact that Matthies is 100% right - landing on the top of that curve is a very big deal and not to be sneered at
4. everything worked out for my friend in the end; he got his Albany job and all's well, etc.

Thanks...FYI, I am indeed going to ALS, and it seems like a fine school, especially for govt. law...  I hope that your friend had a great experience there.

I just have this feeling that CERTAIN jobs are only available to the grads of elite schools, even if they weren't high in their class.  It kills me to think that someone gets to practice civil rights law in the Justice Department, for example, just because they went to GULC or GW or Penn, while someone in the top 10% at Albany shouldn't even bother applying.

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Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2007, 04:32:35 AM »
Seriously, if you can manage being top 10 people in your class at a T3, you might have better prospects just staying. Of course this depends on where the school is. Assuming the school is a decent sized legal market, top 10 people will probably get you a better job in that city, than say top 30% at a T25 that is far away. Of course if you donít want to live there, then itís not worth it.

Iím at a T2, and my study partners are 3 of the top 5 people in my class, they are not competing with anyone else for the top jobs in our city (t14 or otherwise, remember many of those schools donít rank), they are 100% for offers for everyplace they have interviewed with. Being numbers 1-5 at any school is an incredible accomplishment. If you can land on the top 5-10 people in your class at a school with a harsh curve, youíre a pretty impressive candidate to local big law or otherwise. Being the big fish in a small pond can pay well, assuming youíre willing to stay local. 


I'm not sure that this always holds, tho - at least not in Albany (which iirc is where the OP is headed?)  A good friend of mine just graduated from Albany in the top 10 (people, not %.)  On LR, good work experience, etc.  He wanted to stay in Albany, so he was only applying to regional firms.  He had a HELL of a time landing a job and it was pretty grim for a while.  If you end up with the #s to transfer into a T14 (and it makes sense for you otherwise), it's probably worth pursuing. 

Of course:
1. this is one example and purely anecdotal, so treat it as such
2. I adore him, but for all I know he's a bad interviewee or something
3. this doesn't detract from the fact that Matthies is 100% right - landing on the top of that curve is a very big deal and not to be sneered at
4. everything worked out for my friend in the end; he got his Albany job and all's well, etc.

Thanks...FYI, I am indeed going to ALS, and it seems like a fine school, especially for govt. law...  I hope that your friend had a great experience there.

I just have this feeling that CERTAIN jobs are only available to the grads of elite schools, even if they weren't high in their class.  It kills me to think that someone gets to practice civil rights law in the Justice Department, for example, just because they went to GULC or GW or Penn, while someone in the top 10% at Albany shouldn't even bother applying.

My friend had a fabulous experience there.  And what's more, I am a big fan of Albany the city - which is not an opinion you hear much.  It's a place people love to pick on, but I lived there for 8 years (college plus 4) and now think of it as home in many ways.  Good luck!

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Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2007, 03:11:58 PM »
to address one part of the OP's question, someone had posted this previously. The first # is the amt of 2L transfers and the second must have been the initial class size...

TRANSFER STATS (2006?)

Increases Class Size by over 20%
Illinois (41) (184)
Washington/St. Louis (51) (241)

Increases Class Size by over 15%
Northwestern (40) (233)
Georgetown (100) (587)

Increases Class Size by over 10%

W&L (18) (125)
Boalt (37) (268)
Emory (28) (207)
Vanderbilt (24) (190)
NYU (51) (444)
UCLA (38) (336)
Columbia (41) (383)
Penn (25) (248)
Michigan (37) (370)

Increases Class Size between 8% and 10%
Cornell (18) (187)
Chicago (18) (192)
Virginia (34) (373)
Fordham (38) (470)
Notre Dame (16) (198)

Increases Class Size between 5% and just under 10%
Stanford (12) (171)
BC (17) (254)
Harvard (34) (557)
W&M (13) (215)
GW (33) (558)
Minnesota (15) (257)

Increases Class Size by under 5%
Duke (10) (205)
Yale (9) (191)
Washington ( 8 ) (179)
USC (9) (214)
Wisconsin (11) (306)
Texas (14) (440)
BU (6) (269)
Iowa (4) (210)
UNC (4) (229)

This fails to consider the students leaving each school, though provides a rough idea nonetheless.

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2007, 03:51:30 PM »
About how well would a student have to do coming from a top 30 school to transfer into the T14? Does Undergraduate GPA/LSAT score still have weight?

Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007, 10:11:23 PM »
About how well would a student have to do coming from a top 30 school to transfer into the T14? Does Undergraduate GPA/LSAT score still have weight?

this is hearsay coming from me but to my understanding: Yale/Harvard/Stanford are supposed to be the only ones who still care about the LSAT --- grades are supposed to be just about the only thing everywhere else- maybe soft factors help a bit?

If you want to know where you need to be in your class to transfer into a school, then I'd recommend contacting admissions and asking - they should clue you in.  I inquired at a school in this fashion just for kicks -- the admissions rep told me where I'd need to be after 1L to be in good shape if I wanted to transfer.