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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2007, 12:11:27 PM »
My response is somewhat "too simple."  My family was not here during slavery.  My family came in the 1930s as poor Sicilian immigrants who had nothing and wanted just a small bit of something.  They never stepped on anyone or prevented anyone from doing anything because they had nothing - they were the downtrodden.

Why should I, then, have to bare the burden of rectifying some large scale racism of which I - and my family - was never a part?  Why must I constantly hear only that one justification to AA: that it rectifies past discrimination?  Even people who think AA is a great thing need to realize that not all of our families were here to hurt yours at that time.  Mine was making wine in Sicily - they didn't have slaves, they didn;t even have a house as one would recognize one.

I realize there was a systematic demoralization and abuse of certain people in early America.  I realize it was NOT fair.  But show me one person who descends from a slave family and I will support his admission over he who was from a slaveholding family.  Aside from that, I find it hard to swallow a pill that makes me - whose family was not here until 1934 (and whose family faced "Italians Need Not Apply" signs when they got here) - "responsible" for enslaving people in eighteenth and nineteenth century Georgia.

Affirmative Action also promotes women and other minorites as well...you do realize that black people are the only ones?

Is that really so?  I wasn't aware that, for example. women were allowed to declare themselves as URM's for purposes of, for example, law school admissions.
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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2007, 12:51:32 PM »
My response is somewhat "too simple."  My family was not here during slavery.  My family came in the 1930s as poor Sicilian immigrants who had nothing and wanted just a small bit of something.  They never stepped on anyone or prevented anyone from doing anything because they had nothing - they were the downtrodden.

Why should I, then, have to bare the burden of rectifying some large scale racism of which I - and my family - was never a part?  Why must I constantly hear only that one justification to AA: that it rectifies past discrimination?  Even people who think AA is a great thing need to realize that not all of our families were here to hurt yours at that time.  Mine was making wine in Sicily - they didn't have slaves, they didn;t even have a house as one would recognize one.

I realize there was a systematic demoralization and abuse of certain people in early America.  I realize it was NOT fair.  But show me one person who descends from a slave family and I will support his admission over he who was from a slaveholding family.  Aside from that, I find it hard to swallow a pill that makes me - whose family was not here until 1934 (and whose family faced "Italians Need Not Apply" signs when they got here) - "responsible" for enslaving people in eighteenth and nineteenth century Georgia.

Affirmative Action also promotes women and other minorites as well...you do realize that black people aren't the only ones?

What I meant to say.
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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2007, 01:03:08 PM »
hmmm... let's just take this bit by bit

I don't think his story is representative of most AA recipients, so I guess I'll go with option B.  But I think it's common enough that it's worth mentioning.

You believe it's common for AA recipents to have slacked off in college? On what do you base this belief? Research? Ethnographic study?


Nah.  I make no claims about the frequency of situations like UNAS, other than to say that UNAS exists, and I have friends like that, some who openly talk about slacking off and say "whatever, there's always AA for grad school."  Of course they're half kidding though.  My only point in this thread was that there's something wrong with UNAS's story.  I think everyone can agree that there's just something not right about that situation - slacking off and then getting into great schools with numbers well below their medians, based largely on the color of his skin.  That said, I agree with UNAS that his MBA and 5 years experience should be enough to overcome his undergrad, regardless of race, but of course that's not how things work.

I totally agree with you that discussing individuals like UNAS is pretty pointless.  I'm not sure why I brought it up here.  I'm much more concerned about aggregate effects.  UNAS's situation is one of the problems with AA, but a very small and relatively unimportant one.

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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2007, 07:02:53 PM »
This is a serious question, so no scoffers, please.  Although not a minority, I get an awesome tan.  It has been pointed out to me that I could pass as Mexican pretty easily.  I got a 168 on June's LSAT, but was thinking about retaking.  Why though?  AA is all about skin color, it isn't about the education you received, nor is it about where you grew up.  As a person with great tanning ability shouldn't I be able to take unfair advantage too? 

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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2007, 07:08:38 PM »
This is a serious question, so no scoffers, please.  Although not a minority, I get an awesome tan.  It has been pointed out to me that I could pass as Mexican pretty easily.  I got a 168 on June's LSAT, but was thinking about retaking.  Why though?  AA is all about skin color, it isn't about the education you received, nor is it about where you grew up.  As a person with great tanning ability shouldn't I be able to take unfair advantage too? 
Yes, but I don't think there is a Law School for individuals with special needs.   ::)
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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2007, 07:10:41 PM »
You're right, I do have special needs...A tanning bed.  Please be serious, and address my question.

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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2007, 07:18:24 PM »
I am serious.  You're retarded or something.   Probably a savant since you did well on the lsat.   I doubt you have the ability to interact effectively in a human social environment.  I say you should try it it, and if they don't accept you try to tie in a  limited intellect thing. It suits you. 8)
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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2007, 07:20:21 PM »
So basically you're telling me that when I get into UVA, having checked the URM box, my tan will make me a social outcast?  Do you and I need a spa day?

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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2007, 12:04:19 AM »
This is a serious question, so no scoffers, please.  Although not a minority, I get an awesome tan.  It has been pointed out to me that I could pass as Mexican pretty easily.  I got a 168 on June's LSAT, but was thinking about retaking.  Why though?  AA is all about skin color, it isn't about the education you received, nor is it about where you grew up.  As a person with great tanning ability shouldn't I be able to take unfair advantage too? 
Yes, but I don't think there is a Law School for individuals with special needs.    ::)

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Re: This is why affirmative should remain in tact
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2007, 04:49:17 AM »
This is why affirmative action should remain in tact (sic)!

Selfpwnage. I guess AA is good for getting illiterates like the OP into college.