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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2007, 03:58:33 PM »
just seems like it is lower in LS than in med school

Really? It could be the company I keep or, more likely, the fact that I don't keep much company but I do not see much better numbers on the med school side. Of the more upwardly mobile black men I know of most of them seem to have gone the entreprenurial route. Then there are the old heads who spent 20 years with a blue chip (IBM or something) and are just reaping the benefits of longevity. Other than a very successful pharmacist (who funny enough was the "street pharmacist" back in school) I don't see that push for med school. If anything the brothers I know wanted to get a BA/S behind them as quickly as possible and never step foot back in school. They tended to see it as time wasted not making money.

But, again, I know a disproportionate number of wanna be rappers too. So, I'm sure I could be skewed. ::)

I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated. Black men having a strong entrepreneurial spirit realize that opening up their own firms is likely to be incredibly difficult. Additionally, the prospects of making bank if you have to work for someone else are better, on average, for a Black man going to business school rather than law school. Finally, I think there's been a stronger push for the Black men with social justice in their hearts to go to med school rather than law school. This reflects the strong emphasis put on math and science on African Americans these days.

I also believe that there is a tremendous amount of indirect and subtle racism polluting the profession.

Yes, the numbers of Black men in med school are dismal. I tend to believe however that many blacks who would have otherwise gone to law school because of their desire to fight for social justice opt for med school. Of course, this isn't scientific...just my experience in talking with Black men.
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2007, 03:59:56 PM »
just seems like it is lower in LS than in med school

Really? It could be the company I keep or, more likely, the fact that I don't keep much company but I do not see much better numbers on the med school side. Of the more upwardly mobile black men I know of most of them seem to have gone the entreprenurial route. Then there are the old heads who spent 20 years with a blue chip (IBM or something) and are just reaping the benefits of longevity. Other than a very successful pharmacist (who funny enough was the "street pharmacist" back in school) I don't see that push for med school. If anything the brothers I know wanted to get a BA/S behind them as quickly as possible and never step foot back in school. They tended to see it as time wasted not making money.

But, again, I know a disproportionate number of wanna be rappers too. So, I'm sure I could be skewed. ::)

I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated. Black men having a strong entrepreneurial spirit realize that opening up their own firms is likely to be incredibly difficult. Additionally, the prospects of making bank if you have to work for someone else are better, on average, for a Black man going to business school rather than law school. Finally, I think there's been a stronger push for the Black men with social justice in their hearts to go to med school rather than law school. This reflects the strong emphasis put on math and science on African Americans these days.

I also believe that there is a tremendous amount of indirect and subtle racism polluting the profession.

Yes, the numbers of Black men in med school are dismal. I tend to believe however that many blacks who would have otherwise gone to law school because of their desire to fight for social justice opt for med school. Of course, this isn't scientific...just my experience in talking with Black men.
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2007, 04:12:00 PM »
just seems like it is lower in LS than in med school

Really? It could be the company I keep or, more likely, the fact that I don't keep much company but I do not see much better numbers on the med school side. Of the more upwardly mobile black men I know of most of them seem to have gone the entreprenurial route. Then there are the old heads who spent 20 years with a blue chip (IBM or something) and are just reaping the benefits of longevity. Other than a very successful pharmacist (who funny enough was the "street pharmacist" back in school) I don't see that push for med school. If anything the brothers I know wanted to get a BA/S behind them as quickly as possible and never step foot back in school. They tended to see it as time wasted not making money.

But, again, I know a disproportionate number of wanna be rappers too. So, I'm sure I could be skewed. ::)

I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated. Black men having a strong entrepreneurial spirit realize that opening up their own firms is likely to be incredibly difficult. Additionally, the prospects of making bank if you have to work for someone else are better, on average, for a Black man going to business school rather than law school. Finally, I think there's been a stronger push for the Black men with social justice in their hearts to go to med school rather than law school. This reflects the strong emphasis put on math and science on African Americans these days.

I also believe that there is a tremendous amount of indirect and subtle racism polluting the profession.

Yes, the numbers of Black men in med school are dismal. I tend to believe however that many blacks who would have otherwise gone to law school because of their desire to fight for social justice opt for med school. Of course, this isn't scientific...just my experience in talking with Black men.
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2007, 04:18:24 PM »
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2007, 04:38:45 PM »
just seems like it is lower in LS than in med school

Really? It could be the company I keep or, more likely, the fact that I don't keep much company but I do not see much better numbers on the med school side. Of the more upwardly mobile black men I know of most of them seem to have gone the entreprenurial route. Then there are the old heads who spent 20 years with a blue chip (IBM or something) and are just reaping the benefits of longevity. Other than a very successful pharmacist (who funny enough was the "street pharmacist" back in school) I don't see that push for med school. If anything the brothers I know wanted to get a BA/S behind them as quickly as possible and never step foot back in school. They tended to see it as time wasted not making money.

But, again, I know a disproportionate number of wanna be rappers too. So, I'm sure I could be skewed. ::)

I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated. Black men having a strong entrepreneurial spirit realize that opening up their own firms is likely to be incredibly difficult. Additionally, the prospects of making bank if you have to work for someone else are better, on average, for a Black man going to business school rather than law school. Finally, I think there's been a stronger push for the Black men with social justice in their hearts to go to med school rather than law school. This reflects the strong emphasis put on math and science on African Americans these days.

I also believe that there is a tremendous amount of indirect and subtle racism polluting the profession.

Yes, the numbers of Black men in med school are dismal. I tend to believe however that many blacks who would have otherwise gone to law school because of their desire to fight for social justice opt for med school. Of course, this isn't scientific...just my experience in talking with Black men.
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2007, 04:54:10 PM »
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2007, 07:43:05 PM »
I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated.


whoa. hold up. when did this happen?   ???
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2007, 07:45:53 PM »
disagree but they do pull us from certain schools
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2007, 08:13:47 PM »
I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated.


whoa. hold up. when did this happen?   ???

Yes, I have to wonder too. To assert saturation would be to assume that there is a limit of how many black lawyers there can be. Is there some kind of percentage that I'm unaware of? I mean, the market either has a need for lawyers or not - how would the market decide if it needs black lawyers?
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Re: Shortage of Black Men in Law (Dismal)
« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2007, 08:15:23 PM »
I think part of it is that the market for Black lawyers in most cities is saturated.


whoa. hold up. when did this happen?   ???

good catch. In private practice. What I mean is that every city has those Black lawyers that own their own firms and they're already established and have a stranglehold on the market. Since white people (from what I've heard) are reluctant to hire African Americans in small partnerships or sole practicioner practices, the competition for clients is fierce and success is incredibly difficult for the new kids on the block. I noted this to explain why Black men where relunctant to go into law (ie, they have a strong entrepreneurial spirt and market situations might be adverse to that goal).

Of course, you could challenge the assertion. In fact, I'd welcome it.
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