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Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2007, 09:32:40 PM »
I'd steer away from writing on this topic.  Being openly GLBTQ; like it or not, is not looked positively upon in the professional world.  It's a personal issue.  Thus writing a personal statement for professional school seems to miss the mark.


1.  Its not an "issue." Its who I am.
2. This is exactly the kind of thinking that needs to change. I don't need to hide who I am from anyone. If the "professional world" doesn't like that I'm gay, then they can blow me.

First of all, I think it would make a great topic for your PS.. I wish I had something as diverse as that to talk about.  But, in a tiny way, I dont think it is relevant.. He's why..

I dont mean to offend you.. but it is something that I truly do not understand.. You say that being gay is "who I am", well, I'm heterosexual, and I've never felt the need to tell anyone or write about it, or anything else... I dont define myself by my sexuality. There's a lot more to me than that!... And I'm sure the same goes for you as well.
My question is.. Why is there such a need for many homosexuals to be so open about their sexuality.. (ie parades, rallies, fund faisers, benefits, etc.) Why is it all based on sexual preference? There are any Strait Pride slogans, so why do there need to be homosexual ones?... I realize that there is a need to make homosexuality more mainstream and more widely accepted.. but is that the only reason? What difference would it make to you to never tell anyone in your workplace that you are gay?... They dont tell you they are straight, you simply assume. ...

PLEASE do not take this offensively.. I'm just ignorant about the whole thing.. I just dont understand! I guess my thing is, why does ANY sexual preference make ANY difference to ANYONE at ALL?

Thanks.. please dont think I'm totally stupid! I'm trying to LEARN about these things of which I know not!


For the same reason you never see people celebrating their "whiteness." Its about privilege and discrimination. And we don't solely define ourselves by our sexual orientation(though thats where stereotypes come from), its just a part of us that some us choose to embrace, in spite of that discrimination, so that maybe one day it won't matter.

Of course you don't feel like you have to tell anyone you're straight! Everyone assumes that's the case already! If I never had to tell anyone I was gay, it wouldn't be a big deal to me either.

For future reference, the phrase "sexual preference" is offensive to me. Its hinting at sexual orientation being a choice. I can't choose to be attracted to women over men, its not as if I like both, but just "prefer" men to women. I legitimately feel no attraction to women at all.


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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2007, 09:33:30 PM »
Denny's argument about labels probably has some valdity in the sense that heterosexuals see themselves as 'mainstream' in a sexual orientation sense and self-constitute themselves in different terms.  GLTBQ probably see their sexual orientation as the major self-defining aspects of their identity.  However, this still does not mean that being GLTBQ should be brought up in a law school personal statement.  For the very reason that by submitting to an admissions committee a piece of work that deliberately attempts to bring your sexuality into a professional environment breaks professional norms that have existed for generations.  I'm sure that 99.9% of all committees are at least tolerant of GLTBQ individuals, however they're certianly not going to 'accept' breaking norms.  This is why all of the time, committees tell you not to make cute videos or write poetry or legal briefs for your PS.  Artsy fartsy crap is not what they are looking for.  They are at most looking for a statement that shows that you can a) Write and b) seem like a hardworking/developed person.  They don't care if you are gay and that's not something I'd bring up in any conversation.  When I meet someone I don't tell them about my last sexual encounter or my sexual awakening.  You may say that this is not akin to my discussion of my sexual identity or whatever, but you miss the point.  When you start talking about how you are self-consituted by your homosexuality you purposefully and inevitably sexualize the conversation, making it uncomfortable for your audience.  It is a bad idea, a very bad idea, to make admissions committees uncomfortable with you.

You are not going to change anything or anyone by writing your personal statement to a group of people.  You are not going to be memorable in a positive way.  You will break socially accepted understandings of what to submit to an admissions committee and you are putting yourself at risk of receiving an unfavorable result.  There is likely no positive outcome that will come of writing your PS in this fashion.

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2007, 09:36:32 PM »
I'd say that bringing up GLBT identity in a PS is relevant because GLBT issues are very prominent currently in the law.  Lawrence v. Texas/anti-sodomy laws and gay-marriage amendments are very prominent in the legal field right now, so writing about gay sexual identity can have a lot of relevance.

I doubt there are many, if any, LGBT applicants who are so uncreative as to simply use "I'm gay, isn't that interesting?" as the basis of their PS.

Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2007, 09:39:58 PM »
For future reference, the phrase "sexual preference" is offensive to me. Its hinting at sexual orientation being a choice. I can't choose to be attracted to women over men, its not as if I like both, but just "prefer" men to women. I legitimately feel no attraction to women at all.

GLTBQ status is a choice.  You choose to define yourself that way.  Period.

Secondly, this attitude if it shines through in your PS will send up red flags.  I don't care to meet the angry gay dude.  That's the impression you will get.  Tough luck.  Deal with it. 

Also, you're not discriminated against.  You're just whining.  To say that your sexual preference makes you a target for being discriminated against is to say something like "I grew up in the suburbs, was white, daddy and mommy only grossed 250k per year and my numbers didn't get me into HYP.  I feel discriminated against.  If I had my numbers and came from a migrant family where I had to work full-time to help provide food for my family, I might have gotten a better reception."

You are probably vastly more privileged than other straight individuals out there.

Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2007, 09:41:41 PM »
I'd say that bringing up GLBT identity in a PS is relevant because GLBT issues are very prominent currently in the law.  Lawrence v. Texas/anti-sodomy laws and gay-marriage amendments are very prominent in the legal field right now, so writing about gay sexual identity can have a lot of relevance.

I doubt there are many, if any, LGBT applicants who are so uncreative as to simply use "I'm gay, isn't that interesting?" as the basis of their PS.

Lawrence v. Texas is an abomination.  We need a 21st century version of Bowers v. Hardwick to come and restore the constitutonal balance in such matters.

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2007, 09:46:08 PM »
For future reference, the phrase "sexual preference" is offensive to me. Its hinting at sexual orientation being a choice. I can't choose to be attracted to women over men, its not as if I like both, but just "prefer" men to women. I legitimately feel no attraction to women at all.

GLTBQ status is a choice.  You choose to define yourself that way.  Period.

Retarded much?

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2007, 09:50:22 PM »
Thanks guys.. Didnt mean to start something. I was genuinely curious, and I hope I did not offend anyone. Yall's explanations were actually quite enlightening.. I didn't realize that people felt so stongly about their sexuality.

Walkaway, I did not mean to imply that your sexuality is a "choice"... I dont think that at all. I was just using "sexual preference" as a genereal comment.. didn't mean anything by it. Sorry if that offended you. :)

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2007, 09:55:12 PM »
I'd steer away from writing on this topic.  Being openly GLBTQ; like it or not, is not looked positively upon in the professional world.  It's a personal issue.  Thus writing a personal statement for professional school seems to miss the mark.


1.  Its not an "issue." Its who I am.
2. This is exactly the kind of thinking that needs to change. I don't need to hide who I am from anyone. If the "professional world" doesn't like that I'm gay, then they can blow me.

First of all, I think it would make a great topic for your PS.. I wish I had something as diverse as that to talk about.  But, in a tiny way, I dont think it is relevant.. He's why..

I dont mean to offend you.. but it is something that I truly do not understand.. You say that being gay is "who I am", well, I'm heterosexual, and I've never felt the need to tell anyone or write about it, or anything else... I dont define myself by my sexuality. There's a lot more to me than that!... And I'm sure the same goes for you as well.
My question is.. Why is there such a need for many homosexuals to be so open about their sexuality.. (ie parades, rallies, fund faisers, benefits, etc.) Why is it all based on sexual preference? There are any Strait Pride slogans, so why do there need to be homosexual ones?... I realize that there is a need to make homosexuality more mainstream and more widely accepted.. but is that the only reason? What difference would it make to you to never tell anyone in your workplace that you are gay?... They dont tell you they are straight, you simply assume. ...

PLEASE do not take this offensively.. I'm just ignorant about the whole thing.. I just dont understand! I guess my thing is, why does ANY sexual preference make ANY difference to ANYONE at ALL?

Thanks.. please dont think I'm totally stupid! I'm trying to LEARN about these things of which I know not!

Well Twinky....not to open a whole other can of worms, but think of it this way.  Why are there Black Pride or Puerto Rican day parades etc etc?  Being homosexual is in a sense being like a racial minority.  Because you have a different experience and are treated by the majority in a certain way, it helps to be able to share it with those you have that in common with and express that identification.  Now I know it's sort of weird that a White Pride parade would probably have some problems ..... but that's a discussion for not this late at night.  ALTHOUGH, there are Italian day parades and things of that sort, so in a way those are mini white day parades.....

Also, I am a minority and not gay.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.   ;D

That's true, and i have wondered that about racial minorities as well... I guess I could never understand what it is to be a minority! And if parades and things are what they need to to have be able to feel a sense of community, then who am I (a racial and sexual majority) to disagree! Thanks for the insight! :)

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2007, 08:03:08 AM »
Homosexuality is a choice?  Someone's been reading Ted Haggard's Book of Crazy.  We've got biological evidence that homosexuality is at least influenced, if not outright caused, by specific genetic code: http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene

Not being homosexual, I'm not sure how this works, but I've got a guess.  I remember waking up one day when I was 11 or 12...  and suddenly girls weren't disgusting anymore.  They smelled nice.  I wanted to hold hands, and thanks to the knowledge gleaned from my older brother's robust porn collection, do a bit more.  I'm willing to bet the experience is largely the same, just focusing upon the other gender.  Someone who's actually experienced homosexuality can feel free to correct me if I am wrong! ;)

And if it's a choice, then why would any sane person choose it?  One of my best friends came out in highschool.  I lived in a liberal, cosmopolitan suburb of a major city, hardly Podunk, USA.  And yet this revelation was devastating for him personally.  He lost a lot of friendships.  His relationships with some of his family members were compromised.  All in all, he had a miserable experience.  You would have to be batshit crazy to "choose" to go through that.  The thing about homosexuality that makes it noteworthy is that it is a minority of the population, and it can be controversial.  I am a straight, wealthy, protestant male.  You know how many times I've been attacked based upon my personal identity?  Once, I think.  Some guy called me a cracker after our team kicked his ass in a game of street ball.  How many times has a homosexual been directly insulted, on average?  And can you count all the more subtle forms, such as an uncomfortable look, or hostile body language.  The social experience of a gay man and a straight man are, I feel, totally different.  Hence, those differences may prove fertile writing ground for a good PS.

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Re: Is it a bad idea to write about being homosexual?
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2007, 12:47:58 AM »
All of this positive talk is BS. There's no reason why being an outed part of society should be applauded.  You are an abomination and should be treated as such.  Placed in chains and hung before the citizens of this country instead of admitted to elite colleges and universities.

You should burn like the small pieces of firewood you share your colloquial label with.

That's really mean.. :(