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Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?

Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2007, 02:16:26 PM »
UCI Law School has its own website. 

Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 09:12:12 AM »
Eventually yes.  Year 2009 I donít know.

Year 1992 Hastings (19th ranked) was higher than U Texas 20th)


Former Dean K refused to send in data to US NEWS resulted Hastings rankings as low as 50th.
although Judges and Lawyers Reputations were always in the top 30.

Dean K didnít like USNEWS, and she graduated from Michigan Law.


Now Hastings got new deans N, it will be better.

1.       Dean N graduated from Hastings.
2.   Dean N tried to get donations. (Money talks)
3.   Submitted accurate data, which made Hastings to 34th.
4.   Bar passing rate(84%) is far better than Davis(73%).  Actually better than SC
5.   New library


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Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2007, 04:04:08 PM »
Eventually yes.  Year 2009 I donít know.

Year 1992 Hastings (19th ranked) was higher than U Texas 20th)


Former Dean K refused to send in data to US NEWS resulted Hastings rankings as low as 50th.
although Judges and Lawyers Reputations were always in the top 30.

Dean K didnít like USNEWS, and she graduated from Michigan Law.


Rumor has it that Hastings over-enrolled through its LEOP program which brought down the numbers, not that they refused to submit them.  I'd be curious to know which it was.

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Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007, 04:03:03 PM »
Eventually yes.  Year 2009 I donít know.

Year 1992 Hastings (19th ranked) was higher than U Texas 20th)


Former Dean K refused to send in data to US NEWS resulted Hastings rankings as low as 50th.
although Judges and Lawyers Reputations were always in the top 30.

Dean K didnít like USNEWS, and she graduated from Michigan Law.


Rumor has it that Hastings over-enrolled through its LEOP program which brought down the numbers, not that they refused to submit them.  I'd be curious to know which it was.

Oh whatever.  Who told you that?  LEOP IS NOT THE REASON HASTINGS RANKS/BAR PASSAGE/ ETC is screwed up.  They just like to blame shift.  Hastings admin is the master at that game. 

FYI:  LEOP has bar passage around 85%.  Also plenty of LEOP students get cali awards (amjur)

Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2007, 04:36:11 PM »
I think what he meant was that they admitted a good number of people that would not have been admitted via regular admissions, and that lowered their admission statistics, not bar passage or anything.

Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2007, 08:52:29 PM »
U.S. News Changes Placement Component of Rankings "to Reduce Gamesmanship by Law Schools"
Robert Morse, Director of Data Research at U.S. News & World Report, reports that the placement component of the law school rankings (employment nine months after graduation (14% of the overall ranking) and employed at graduation (4%)) will be changed this year to mirror changes in the ABA's questionnaire "to reduce gamesmanship by law schools":

From Leiter

What the Employment Stats from the Last US News Rankings Would Have Looked Like Under the New Approach
A colleague sent me a revealing chart, showing what the employment stats for the top law schools would have looked like if U.S. News had already been employing the new policy of treating those unemployed but allegedly "not seeking employment" as part of the stats.  UCLA's placement would have fallen from the reported 99.7% to 94.4%, while USC's stats would have fallen from 98.2% to 93.3%!  Those were the biggest changes (5.3 and 4.9 percentage points, respectively), though Michigan and Vanderbilt were close:  Michigan's employmente rate would have dropped from 99.7% to 95.8%, while Vanderbilt's would have gone from 99.0% to 95.5%.  Only Cornell and Stanford would have been unaffected by this change, though the differences for Penn, Duke, Yale, and Columbia would all have been less than 1%.  (Texas, for those curious, would have reported an employment rate 1.2% lower.)

To be sure, there are some graduates of law school who are genuinely not seeking employment--but it has surely not been in the numbers that some schools have been reporting. 



Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2007, 07:11:18 AM »
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Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2007, 09:14:58 AM »
From Leiter
Hastings gained ground against Davis
So it might be a reverse about rankings.
More Employment Stats Differences
If the new U.S. News approach to employment statistics had been used for last Spring's ranking, a number of schools outside the top ranks would have also had rather big differences between the scores they reported then and what they would have to report under the new method:

Pepperdine (97.2 to 84.1)         -13%
Dist.of Col. (92.9 to 80.1)        -12.8%
Santa Clara (95.5 to 87.0)        -8.5%
Vermont (98.0 to 90.5)            - 7.5%   
Buffalo (97.8 to 90.8)              -7.0% 
Regent (89.0 to 82.1)             - 6.9% 
Richmond (96.8 to 90.1)         -  6.7% 
St. Johns (96.5 to 89.9)          - 6.6
UC Davis (93.3 to 86.9)          - 6.4% 
UC Hastings (96.3 to 90.0)      - 6.3% 
Drake (98.4 to 92.4)               -  6% 
Chicago-Kent (93.2 to 87.3)                   - 5.9% 
Iowa (98.6 to 92.9)                - 5.7% 
Brooklyn (98.3 to 92.7)           - 5.6%
Hawaii (91.8 to 86.4)             - 5.4%
(Thanks to a colleague for supplying these figures.)
Posted by Brian Leiter on July 24, 2007 in Rankings | Permalink