The Black Men Thread

[Justiceforall]

Also, even if I were to find the response I was seeking for that question. He still is not someone I would advocate for ...there are far to many issues that he does not pass my litmus test on..but I could atleast point out something that is worthy of merit for the guy. (I mean granted I dont like the democratic party but atleast they raised the minimum wage..although how much they raised it is a joke).  There are things I like about obama but the things I like about him are not enough to warrant a vote from me (or many others I know).

[Justiceforall]

Hey mates just got this article in a email...make sure after you're done with your studies and looking for some play time wrap it up..this statistic is crazy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17364887/

[Journeyman]

No offense dude...but I sounds like you want Socialism.

I'm sorry, but I think me and Obama can agree on one thing.  Capitalism is a good thing.  And let's face it, there are winners and losers. 

Even MLK realized that change is incremental.  And that's politics...incremental.

[7S]

If the game is dirty then don't play it transcend it..social movements are not built based on electoral votes but on organizing people behind issues...

Bottom line you don't have to be in electoral politics to make change and just the fact that he went on a path towards the executive branch already shows he has compromised a lot. He is not in  the pursuit of social justice, he is in pursuit of the U.S. presidency.

I don't believe there has ever been a major social movement that did not involve the electoral process.

The End of Slavery - the election of Abraham Lincoln which triggered the civil war.

Women's Suffarge - the 19th Amendment

Civil Rights - the Civil Rights Act 1964

Regardless, there is no absolute path to social change. You can fight through peace demonstrations like MLK; You can fight through the courts like Thurgood Marshall; You can just fight like Malcom X 
 

Obama is not the political leader I would ask black people to support because in the end he has to cater to other peoples intrest.

Who are these other people and what are their interests?

[FrankWhite]

So ummm... yeah... who else is going to law school this fall... me... Journeyman... umm anybody else?

[Stand under my Umbrella ella ella, aye!!]

I'll be starting this fall as well.  Can't wait.

[Justiceforall]

No offense dude...but I sounds like you want Socialism.

I'm sorry, but I think me and Obama can agree on one thing.  Capitalism is a good thing.  And let's face it, there are winners and losers. 

Even MLK realized that change is incremental.  And that's politics...incremental.

and it is funny you quote MLK who was a quasi socialist

[7S]

Question to everyone calling Tavis a farce and having negative things to say about a group of black people coming together to talk about issues they deem important: are there any black people doing anything positive to help out our communities?  Or are they all just anonymous grass roots people, or named Barack Obama?

I don't think it's negative, but it is what it is-People talking. It's purely inspirational. No implementable plan for success. Just people talking.

I want to be an idealist for a minute. What if at the next SOBU they actually focused on a specific city like D.C.? Instead of inspirational talk, established goals in education, crime, and economic empowerment for the next year. Lobby for change. Then move on to the next concentration of black people.

[7S]

No offense dude...but I sounds like you want Socialism.

I'm sorry, but I think me and Obama can agree on one thing.  Capitalism is a good thing.  And let's face it, there are winners and losers. 

Even MLK realized that change is incremental.  And that's politics...incremental.

and it is funny you quote MLK who was a quasi socialist

I think there is healthy balance between capitalism and socialism.

[Justiceforall]

If the game is dirty then don't play it transcend it..social movements are not built based on electoral votes but on organizing people behind issues...

Bottom line you don't have to be in electoral politics to make change and just the fact that he went on a path towards the executive branch already shows he has compromised a lot. He is not in  the pursuit of social justice, he is in pursuit of the U.S. presidency.

I don't believe there has ever been a major social movement that did not involve the electoral process.

The End of Slavery - the election of Abraham Lincoln which triggered the civil war.

Women's Suffarge - the 19th Amendment

Civil Rights - the Civil Rights Act 1964

Regardless, there is no absolute path to social change. You can fight through peace demonstrations like MLK; You can fight through the courts like Thurgood Marshall; You can just fight like Malcom X 
 

Obama is not the political leader I would ask black people to support because in the end he has to cater to other peoples intrest.

Who are these other people and what are their interests?

How about the french revolution? the hatian revolution? the cuban revolution?  and all the examples you stated did not come from a original idea from the person in the elected position.  the end of slavery started with the abolishinest movement (even lincoln himself said if he could preserve the union and keep slavery he would do it) the civil war happened because of  a economic issue with the North wanting to make money from the south..not because they were looking to stop slavery. (in fact I remember reading about this in Howard Zinn's book A peoples history of the united states)

Womens sufferage again by the sufferage movement (organized people behind a issue), civil rights..the same.   It involved the electoral process because it was the only way of making it legitmate in this country's laws.  There is no absolute path to social change;however, I question anyone who tried to change the system from within the electoral process ..one can't swim in a ocean of oil expecting to come out white as snow.


Okay..and I'm wondering why I'm not studying for my LSAT ...