I can tell you, right or wrong, that one of the arguments in favor of this involves situations where children are moved to the United States at a young age. Under at least some of the laws the undocumented citizen must have attended high school and lived for X number of years in the States. Hypothetically, this person could graduate high school only to realize that they are not the documented citizen they thought they were. Essentially, you are punishing the child for the parent's mistakes, something which is highly uncommon (if not non-existent) in our legal system. Also, at least in the state I'm familiar with, it is a highly uncommon occurence. Anyway, just putting it out there.
By denying them the right to an education, we are creating a permanent underclass of people who are unable to meaningfully participate in society.
lso, I don't follow your logic. States shouldn't give in-state tuition to people who've lived in those states because they don't distribute those benefits to people who've never contributed to those states?
QuoteBy denying them the right to an education, we are creating a permanent underclass of people who are unable to meaningfully participate in society. I'm not saying that we should deny them an education, I am just saying that they shouldn't be given in-state tuition. In-state tuition in California ($20,000+) is much more expensive than out-of-state tution in Utah ($14,000). So there are still many options that illegal immigrants have when going to school, I just don't think that an illegal immigrant should be given a government subsidized education. As a part of this, can someone be considered a citizen of a State and not of the U.S.? QuoteBy denying them the right to an education, we are creating a permanent underclass of people who are unable to meaningfully participate in society. They may have lived in those states, but not LEGALLY. In fact, they aren't legal citizens of ANY state. I go to school outside of California, and there were several hoops I had to jump through to get residency so that I could pay in-state tuition. As for children who were brought here when they were young, it is truly unfortunate that they have to suffer the consequences of their parents mistakes. However, LEGALLY there are no exceptions. I might be unfair to them, but it is also unfair that the wonderful people of Africa have to suffer so much more than any Mexican, Central, or South American. Famine, cruel governments, war, and genocide to a degree that has never been seen south of the U.S. border has plagued that continent for years. How is it fair that they have to go through the arduous process to come to the U.S. (or Europe) LEGALLY, while 12 million others cut in front of them because they have easier access to the U.S.?
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whatever. "fairness" is just some sh*t that someone made up.
Quotewhatever. "fairness" is just some sh*t that someone made up.Is this just general disagreement with the idea of fairness or are you specifically referring the plight of Africans, illegal immigrants, or U.S. citizens paying out-of-state tuition?