and lets not forgetWE ARE AMERICA!we are the dream for millions, if not BILLIONS of people around the world.wed be doing a big disservice to both our forefathers, some of whom prob came here illegally, as well as our children and thier children if we didnt educate those within our borders.'there here, there staying here, lets do all we can to bring them up to a level that will keep America on top for another 100 years...
Quote from: Yo da Blue on June 01, 2007, 02:06:44 PMand lets not forgetWE ARE AMERICA!we are the dream for millions, if not BILLIONS of people around the world.wed be doing a big disservice to both our forefathers, some of whom prob came here illegally, as well as our children and thier children if we didnt educate those within our borders.'there here, there staying here, lets do all we can to bring them up to a level that will keep America on top for another 100 years...this got me thinking... why not instead have a policy change to make public school unmandatory. Then those citizens and non-citizens alike who don't value education can skip school, eat *&^% and die. That savings alone could pay for illegals who value education. (it'd also pay for my retirement)
You guys are all focusing on the negatives of this - let's look at the positive side:If I really want to get in-state tuition from a state that I'm not a resident of, it would appear that I could simply claim to be an illegal alien (or undocumented, or whatever) and gain the lower tuition instead of having to go through the process of actually gaining residency. I mean what are they going to do when you say you are an illegal alien, ask for your papers?!?! This is great! Saves me lots of money and paperwork to get in-state tuition in other states!
QuoteBy denying them the right to an education, we are creating a permanent underclass of people who are unable to meaningfully participate in society. I'm not saying that we should deny them an education, I am just saying that they shouldn't be given in-state tuition. In-state tuition in California ($20,000+) is much more expensive than out-of-state tution in Utah ($14,000). So there are still many options that illegal immigrants have when going to school, I just don't think that an illegal immigrant should be given a government subsidized education. As a part of this, can someone be considered a citizen of a State and not of the U.S.? Quotelso, I don't follow your logic. States shouldn't give in-state tuition to people who've lived in those states because they don't distribute those benefits to people who've never contributed to those states?They may have lived in those states, but not LEGALLY. In fact, they aren't legal citizens of ANY state. I go to school outside of California, and there were several hoops I had to jump through to get residency so that I could pay in-state tuition. As for children who were brought here when they were young, it is truly unfortunate that they have to suffer the consequences of their parents mistakes. However, LEGALLY there are no exceptions. I might be unfair to them, but it is also unfair that the wonderful people of Africa have to suffer so much more than any Mexican, Central, or South American. Famine, cruel governments, war, and genocide to a degree that has never been seen south of the U.S. border has plagued that continent for years. How is it fair that they have to go through the arduous process to come to the U.S. (or Europe) LEGALLY, while 12 million others cut in front of them because they have easier access to the U.S.?
By denying them the right to an education, we are creating a permanent underclass of people who are unable to meaningfully participate in society.
lso, I don't follow your logic. States shouldn't give in-state tuition to people who've lived in those states because they don't distribute those benefits to people who've never contributed to those states?
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