Law School Discussion

Nine Years of Discussion
;

Author Topic: [The Few] White Law Students [Who Don't Quite Get It] Discussion Board  (Read 29635 times)

1654134681665465

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 715
    • View Profile
The Confederate Flag was designed as the flag of the states of secession.  Not everyone in those states believed in slavery, in fact there were some abolitionists among the leaders (some because they were truely against slavery and others because they knew they wouldn't get European help without it).  What they were all opposed to was the idea of the federal government telling the states what to do.  It was a big state's right's issue. 

7S

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 2647
  • Self-determination.
    • View Profile
seventhson.
where do u get your information from? a cracker jacks box?  you are so ignorant to say the confederate flag is a jim crow symbol!
just because the flag flew at the time of jim crow or whatever doesnt mean the two correlate. 
the KKK flew the american flag, so maybe we shouldn't fly that either!

your logic is flawed and baseless. 

The southern states seceded from the union because of Northern opposition to the institution of slavery as outlined in the "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union." The Confederate flag was a adopted and replaced the American flag in those respects for southern states.

Had it not been for the South's opposition to anti-slavery sentiment, the confederate flag would never have came into existence because there would not have been a civil war.

The American flag, however, is different, in that it represents a nation that repealed slavery. The KKK also uses the Bible to justify its ignorance, but that would not deter anyone from Christianity.

Opposition to slavery did not create the Bible or the American Flag. Opposition to slavery, however, did creat the Confederecy and thereby, the Confederate flag.
It is easy to change the language of oppression without changing the sociopolitical situation of its victims.

blackpowerman

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 203
    • View Profile
you have manipulated facts to customize your argument.  furthermore, i went to a military college which happened to play a major part in the civil war and the confederacy is embraced as historical culture, southern culture, etc.  and we happen to not believe in slavery, either.  imagine that.

the confederate flag may have been flown by slave laborers in the 1800's, but that is not what it represents today.  just like the american flag/bible/whatever doesn't necessarily stand for hate groups who use it.
the point is, the south lost and conceded to defeat.  the south will rise again, however, in a much more diplomatic and civilized manner.  it may take a while, but it will happen.  to forget what took place so long ago would be to erase history, which is exactly what the naacp and other organizations refuse to do.  if we erase the confederate flag and everything about it, why dont we erase affirmative action, a constant reminder, a symbol if you will, of those harsh times.

anyways , just my thoughts

"The fox knows many tricks; the hedgehog one good one" - Archilochus

7S

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 2647
  • Self-determination.
    • View Profile
you have manipulated facts to customize your argument.

How so?
It is easy to change the language of oppression without changing the sociopolitical situation of its victims.

7S

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 2647
  • Self-determination.
    • View Profile
why dont we erase affirmative action, a constant reminder, a symbol if you will, of those harsh times.

As soon as institutionalized racism and sexism are eradicated we might be able to do that.
It is easy to change the language of oppression without changing the sociopolitical situation of its victims.

blackpowerman

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 203
    • View Profile
how so? your claim states that the civil war was only about slavery, when in fact, it was about a complex network of socioeconomic and cultural issues.  it wasnt JUST SLAVERY, slavery was a major point as the south's economy was doomed to collapse, however there were still other issues at hand
i.e. the major one- the south believed they had a right to secession and they formed the confederacy.  slavery just happened to be an issue- it wasn't THE only issue.  


in the end, it was like every other war, it was about money. and the naacp is the same way- its all about money, who controls what and whos representing what, etc. emancipation proclamation was a good thing, however, now there are modern day slaves, slaves to affirmative action, slaves to quotas, etc.  
"The fox knows many tricks; the hedgehog one good one" - Archilochus

7S

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 2647
  • Self-determination.
    • View Profile
your claim states that the civil war was only about slavery, when in fact, it was about a complex network of socioeconomic and cultural issues.

The Southern States were concerend about states' rights and, in this case, states' rights to own and exploit slaves. ...socioeconomic and cultural issues that were rooted in slavery.

in the end, it was like every other war, it was about money.

You're right! But more specifically, it was about free labor to sustain profits in a failing cotton crop.

and the naacp is the same way- its all about money, who controls what and whos representing what, etc. emancipation proclamation was a good thing, however, now there are modern day slaves, slaves to affirmative action, slaves to quotas, etc.  

You keep mentioning the NAACP like every black person is a member/supporter.

The rest of your statement is BS.

You wouldn't expect Jews to idley allow a "German Swastika Flag" to fly above a courthouse.

Getdafuqoutahere.
It is easy to change the language of oppression without changing the sociopolitical situation of its victims.

7S

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 2647
  • Self-determination.
    • View Profile
how so? your claim states that the civil war was only about slavery, when in fact, it was about a complex network of socioeconomic and cultural issues.  it wasnt JUST SLAVERY, slavery was a major point as the south's economy was doomed to collapse, however there were still other issues at hand
i.e. the major one- the south believed they had a right to secession and they formed the confederacy.  slavery just happened to be an issue- it wasn't THE only issue.  


in the end, it was like every other war, it was about money. and the naacp is the same way- its all about money, who controls what and whos representing what, etc. emancipation proclamation was a good thing, however, now there are modern day slaves, slaves to affirmative action, slaves to quotas, etc.  

And just to clarify affirmative action and quotas are two different concepts.
It is easy to change the language of oppression without changing the sociopolitical situation of its victims.

adlai

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 177
    • View Profile
your claim states that the civil war was only about slavery, when in fact, it was about a complex network of socioeconomic and cultural issues.

The Southern States were concerend about states' rights and, in this case, states' rights to own and exploit slaves. ...socioeconomic and cultural issues that were rooted in slavery.

in the end, it was like every other war, it was about money.

You're right! But more specifically, it was about free labor to sustain profits in a failing cotton crop.

and the naacp is the same way- its all about money, who controls what and whos representing what, etc. emancipation proclamation was a good thing, however, now there are modern day slaves, slaves to affirmative action, slaves to quotas, etc.   

You keep mentioning the NAACP like every black person is a member/supporter.

The rest of your statement is BS.

You wouldn't expect Jews to idley allow a "German Swastika Flag" to fly above a courthouse.

Getdafuqoutahere.

Not to mention the obvious: the election of Lincoln who was widely seen as an abolitionist, John Brown and the fear of a violent slave insurrection, the Missouri Compromise, the 3/5 compromise, Dred Scott...

The institution of slavery made possible the South's cotton crop, and if not for slavery the economic disputes surrounding cotton would not be as severe, as it would have been less prominent an economic activity.

In the end, you can cite tariffs and the like, but it all boils down to slavery.

blackpowerman

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 203
    • View Profile
i love this argument!

for the record, every member of the Naacp is probably black, or will i stand corrected?

but, not every black is a member of the naacp.  however, the naacp represents every black whether they want it to or not.  or maybe the blacks that don't want to be referred to as "colored" don't join.  maybe its membership through birth rite.  in any event, the naacp and affirmative action and quotas are all intertwined.  and the conferderate flag cant even be compared to the nazi regime what so ever. 

i have a new topic since that one is going back and forth.  this is hypothetical, but not racist and i don't mean any disrespect, but let's make the best out of a bad situation.

what if slavery would have never occured and blacks would have never been "imported" for lack of better terms...they would all be suffering in africa.  starving, aids ridden, etc.  while i in no way condone slavery, the blacks today aren't slaves and should be more respectful to their ancestors who suffered so they could have a truly better life.  i doubt those former slavews, God bless their souls, would want to see blacks act the way they do now. 
just a thought, bring it on....
"The fox knows many tricks; the hedgehog one good one" - Archilochus