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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2007, 03:59:08 PM »
I agree with the lax gun law problem.

But shifting the debate from legal right to practicle effect doesn't sit well. The legal right is known, the practicle effect basically unknown. Trying to tackle the practicle consequences is like holding a 2 ton bowling with 2 fingers; it's beyond the scope of this thread. But nobody has yet given even one contrary example and I gave 2.



The legal right is not as clear cut as youd like to imply.  The 2nd amendment is not 100% clear cut to mean one has the right to bear arms whereever and whenever, at the cost of endangering the greater good (which as we all know, you somehow think is untrue). 

To pose a hypo that will illistrate my point, one could argue the right to bear arms could also be interpreted to cover a bazooka, or a suitcase nuclear weapon.  No one in their right mind could say my right to bear arms also covers these "arms" - especially for everyoen to have them on campus due to the danger theyd pose to the greater good.  In the same light, i think a Sig Sauer in ever college student's back to school list poses a similarly unacceptable danger. 
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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2007, 04:27:42 PM »
Well a nuke is a bit of hyperbole, but jsyk, private citizens do own functional tanks & unarmed fighter jets.

And certainly we have restrictions, but those placing them have the BOP, not those objecting.
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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2007, 05:28:53 PM »
Re: your concern about legal right/practicality, it seems to me that this thread--and, indeed, any well thought out law--must focus on the practical ramifications of whatever action the law intends to modify or impel.  I think the onus here lies with you, Freak, as the one who is proposing a change to current law (Federal law: guns are illegal 1,000 ft. w/in school zone).  And I'm not really sure that your two examples (anecdotes, actually) really "prove" anything as the status quo prevents the existence of counter-anecdotes--which in this case would be examples of a bunch of gun-toting students at a school accidentally (or purposely) killing/maiming each other.
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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2007, 06:34:26 PM »
???, on page 2 you admitted it wasn't federal law....
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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2007, 06:42:39 PM »
???, on page 2 you admitted it wasn't federal law....

Look later... it was re-upped in 1996 and has yet to be challenged again in court.

I'll try to find the post.
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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #75 on: April 20, 2007, 06:44:25 PM »
I think you might be right about the unconstitutionality of it.

Here's the law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html
Here's the dissent to the SCOTUS judgment: http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/93-1260.ZD2.html 
It looks like it was ruled based on Congress overreaching authority under the commerce clause--not the 2nd Amendment.

But I am almost certain that states have banned firearms on school property--at least the states I've lived in.

Wait, I think Slick Willy pulled out a revamped Federal law in 1996 that is still in effect: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/gun_free_school_zones.txt

Here it is.
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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #76 on: April 20, 2007, 06:45:27 PM »
Further evidence that guns on school property are federally banned (still), comes from this site from 2005: http://www.gunlaws.com/Gun_Free_School_Zones_Nx1.htm

Whew, that's the most work I've done all day.

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Re: Would Guns have stopped VT?
« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2007, 09:17:58 PM »
Alright, gotcha

I think you've basically got me. I have the BOP, but since I don't have the time to find the stats, I will bow out.
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