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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2007, 12:18:40 PM »
Honestly, and some people will probably not like the political incorrectness of this, I don't think it means the assault was motivated by homophobia. Let's take this for example: if I got into a fight with someone who was very overweight, and while fighting them I called them fat, does that mean that I hate fat people or that I'm fighting him because he's fat? Possible, sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean any of those things. If someone is angry enough to assault someone else, they will use language to hurt the other person as well.

But fat people deserve to be battered, whereas homosexuals do not.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2007, 12:22:03 PM »
Honestly, and some people will probably not like the political incorrectness of this, I don't think it means the assault was motivated by homophobia. Let's take this for example: if I got into a fight with someone who was very overweight, and while fighting them I called them fat, does that mean that I hate fat people or that I'm fighting him because he's fat? Possible, sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean any of those things. If someone is angry enough to assault someone else, they will use language to hurt the other person as well.

But fat people deserve to be battered, whereas homosexuals do not.

my my, you certainly do live up to that popped collar!  ;) :P
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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2007, 12:48:46 PM »
Honestly, and some people will probably not like the political incorrectness of this, I don't think it means the assault was motivated by homophobia. Let's take this for example: if I got into a fight with someone who was very overweight, and while fighting them I called them fat, does that mean that I hate fat people or that I'm fighting him because he's fat? Possible, sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean any of those things. If someone is angry enough to assault someone else, they will use language to hurt the other person as well.

But fat people deserve to be battered, whereas homosexuals do not.

my my, you certainly do live up to that popped collar!  ;) :P

I can't be walking around with a sunburned neck, now can I?
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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2007, 12:53:35 PM »
Honestly, and some people will probably not like the political incorrectness of this, I don't think it means the assault was motivated by homophobia. Let's take this for example: if I got into a fight with someone who was very overweight, and while fighting them I called them fat, does that mean that I hate fat people or that I'm fighting him because he's fat? Possible, sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean any of those things. If someone is angry enough to assault someone else, they will use language to hurt the other person as well.

But fat people deserve to be battered, whereas homosexuals do not.

my my, you certainly do live up to that popped collar!  ;) :P

I can't be walking around with a sunburned neck, now can I?

Wouldn't have to worry about that with today's weather... >:(
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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2007, 08:30:29 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2007, 08:47:27 PM »
Students criticize W&L admin. in wake of reported attacks
Openly gay W&L law students report abuse; one alleges physical assault

Cait Speaker and Kacie Varriale, Cavalier Daily Senior Writers

Recent reports of attacks on two openly gay law students at Washington & Lee University, one of whom is a University graduate, have resulted in criticism of Washington & Lee's response to the incident.
Diane Meier, a second-year Washington & Lee law student and one of the openly gay students who said she was verbally and physically abused, described attacks against a fellow law student, who has chosen to remain anonymous.
Meier said last Saturday her friend was walking home from a party where he had been verbally attacked. He heard footsteps behind him and as he was turning around, a male jumped him from behind, putting him in a chokehold and bringing him to the ground.
The student was able to escape unharmed, Meier said.
Meier said she was verbally abused at the same party Saturday night, where Washington & Lee students also threw food at her while yelling slanderous statements.
Meier said administrators were "unresponsive" when first approached by the two students about the incident.
Dawn Watkins, Washington & Lee dean of student affairs, declined to comment on the matter; however, she said Washington & Lee students can report crimes through the university's student conduct system or can receive assistance from the administration in the legal process.
"In my experience, Washington & Lee is a great place to be," Watkins said.
Meier said from her perspective, her experience at Washington & Lee has not been as positive.
"There are only five [openly] gay kids here and we all feel really unsafe," Meier said.
These reported incidents at Washington & Lee have raised concerns among the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community at the University of Virginia.
Wyatt Fore, third year College student and president of Queer and Allied Activism, said members of his organization discussed this incident in particular at a meeting last night.
"We aren't going to let this pass by," Fore said in an interview. "Statewide leaders, including [leaders at] the University need to take a positive stand against this."
Cate Dundon -- second-year University Law student and president of Lambda Law Alliance, an LGBT group at the University's Law School -- recommended at last night's meeting that QuAA encourage LGBT student groups in law schools nationwide to send messages to Washington & Lee's administration, urging it to respond to the incidents.
In an interview, Dundon said because this incident occurred at a law school in the Commonwealth, it gives all Commonwealth universities a bad name.
"We are hoping for some action at their law school," she said. "This can be ameliorated and this can stop happening."
Dundon added that the University's stance is entirely different from Washington & Lee's.
"Our administration is much more helpful in situations [and] seems to be very complacent," she said.
The University administration takes reports of assaults in the University community very seriously, according to Dean of Students Penny Rue.
"Any report of a student that was [physically] attacked at the University would result in a police investigation," Rue added.
One way for University students to report a personal attack is to access Just Report It!, a Web site where students can submit reports to the Office of the Dean of Students, Rue said.
Rue also said when students report incidents, University officials are alerted.
There is a "dean on call to follow up directly," she said.
Rue recommended students who need immediate assistance call the police, adding that Just Report It! "is not a substitute for calling the police in the event of a crime."
Fore noted, however, that some victims are reluctant to report crimes to anyone.
"If someone is closeted or they are uncomfortable letting people know [they are gay], they won't go to the police," Fore said.
According to Fore, this issue needs to be addressed at the University.
"I could see something like this happening at U.Va. tomorrow," Fore said.
Bill Harvey, vice president and chief officer for diversity and equity, echoed Fore's concern.
"I think as long as you have people who are intolerant in any environment those incidents could happen at any time," he said.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=29897&pid=1571


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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2007, 10:27:07 AM »
it's in Lexington/Southwest VA...as un-PC as this may be, a school in that part of the country can't be that diverse/open-minded no matter how hard the administration tries to diversify the student body.

agreed.

It always makes me chuckle when people decry alleged close-mindedness by making baseless, generalized, close-minded assertions.

I have no clue about the circumstances of this incident.  But, even if it was motivated by anti-gay animus, I can assure you it was an isolated, albeit terrible and deplorable, incident that could have happened anywhere.  That it happened at W&L is an unfortunate coincidence, but there is certainly no causation or positive correlation here.  The W&L student body is generally very open minded.  I predict that whoever did this will now become pilloried.

To say that another person is close-minded or intolerant is close-minded? If I were to denounce the KKK, does that make me intolerant for not being tolerant of their views? There are obviously limits to tolerance, and I am not making baseless statements. I lived in Southwest Virginia as a brown person for a couple of years, and I can tell you, it was not very welcoming. Remember that scene from Borat at the Rodeo?  :P Lexington's only about an hour from there.

All I'm saying is, it is very hard for me to imagine that somehow Washington & Lee is a bastion of tolerance in an area that is otherwise very very very homogenous in its racial make-up and thinking. It is obviously a school of very high caliber but it is going to be undoubtedly influenced by its surroundings. And it is undoubtedly going to attract a certain type of student. Some students will attend W&L in spite of its location, while other may not attend because of where it is located. It is kind of a self-selection thing in a way.

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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2007, 02:00:08 PM »
I read that article this morning. The tone is less than impartial. Just from what I can see while I post this, "I could see something like this happening at U.Va. tomorrow" stands as a fine example of what I'm talking about.

First of all, that was a quote from someone interviewed by that paper.  It does appear that the paper sought out Washington and Lee's side of the story:

"Dawn Watkins, Washington & Lee dean of student affairs, declined to comment on the matter . . ."

Are you suggesting that a paper not run a story if one side declines to comment?

Regarding the comment about "happening at U. Va. tommorow" -- unfortunately, it could happen anywhere.  The problem the article was addressing is Washington & Lee's response (or lack thereof) to this particular incident as well as its response to the apparent hostile environment on campus.

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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2007, 05:51:21 PM »
I'm sorry - I'm over here re-reading my post and scratching my head trying to figure out where I suggested that the paper not run the article. I also seem to have given you the impression that I don't know what the article is about, which impression is equally mysterious to me. Any help you could offer me to clear up these issues would be most appreciated.

You may not know where I stand on this issue. If you'd like to know then please review my recent posts in other threads about it or feel free to ask. ;)


You stated:

"The tone is less than impartial. Just from what I can see while I post this, 'I could see something like this happening at U.Va. tomorrow' stands as a fine example of what I'm talking about."

You used a quote to suggest that the article "is less than impartial."  I merely pointed out that the paper sought comments from Washington and Lee; however, Washington and Lee did not wish to respond.  So, the paper went with what it had.  I don't think, in those circumstances, that it is proper to accuse the paper of having a partial tone. The only other choice they had was not to print the story.  I think they made the responsible choice.

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Re: Washington & Lee: Openly gay student assaulted and vandalized at W&L
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2007, 05:55:23 PM »
The paper tried to get a response from W&L but that doesn't mean that the story is balanced. I can understand why people said what they said in the story but I think they may be reacting without all the facts in hand    :-\