US News Not Leaked, Released

[The Pookie]

Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

Probably the best standard (employability, that is): after all, I think the ultimate reason to go to law school is to get a job. However, do you think employability necessarily speaks to the quality of the education? This is very important to many people, and in that regard it is certainly possible that the rankings would be very different (ignoring the obvious dilemma: that different schools are strong in different areas, so an across-the-board ranking on this criterion would itself be misleading).

I have a hard time believing you wouldn't get a "quality education" at any top school.  In that sense the rankings are irrelevant.  But they are very relevant with regard to what sorts of jobs you can get, and I don't think this new list represents that very well with Penn and NYU.

Daydream Nation!  Woo-hoo!

all of the profs at the T14s come from the same law schools anyways - H or Y

so big EH

i know that doesn't mean that they're good teachers, but all of the teachers have similar pedigrees and whoever is a good teacher is so hard to quanitify, i wont' even try

[Quail!]

Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

Probably the best standard (employability, that is): after all, I think the ultimate reason to go to law school is to get a job. However, do you think employability necessarily speaks to the quality of the education? This is very important to many people, and in that regard it is certainly possible that the rankings would be very different (ignoring the obvious dilemma: that different schools are strong in different areas, so an across-the-board ranking on this criterion would itself be misleading).

I have a hard time believing you wouldn't get a "quality education" at any top school.  In that sense the rankings are irrelevant.  But they are very relevant with regard to what sorts of jobs you can get, and I don't think this new list represents that very well with Penn and NYU.

Daydream Nation!  Woo-hoo!

I can't help but think that the differences in opportunities afforded to Penn/Chicago and NYU/CLS students are THAT different so as to make the rankings unrepresentative.  Maybe in terms of SCOTUS (and ever other fed.) clerkships there is a bit of a disparity.  But I've gotten the feeling that the career options are more or less the same.  Caring about 1 spot differences in the top 7 law schools would seem to be a little petty and on the whole, irrelevant.

Maybe I'm just feeling snarky, but it's kind of getting to me at the moment.

[Zam]

happy to see the cleaned up version i reordered and put michigan > UC Berkeley even though they are tied at 8 make it to xoxo

alphabetical order be damned!

i do think it's funny that we have this before them.

[MisterManager]

Why are the rankings not in alphabetical order? There are a bunch of schools tied at 36 but Indiana is posted before Alabama...is it because the number that comes out of their sacred formula is a bit higher for IU, but not enough to account for an actual rank spot?

and also...if this is true...WHOA Carolina tsk, tsk

The U in University counts

I < U < W

Indiana University-Bloomington
36 55
 
University of Alabama
36 55
 
University of California (Hastings)
36 55
 
University of Colorado-Boulder
36 55
 
University of Georgia
36 55
 
University of Maryland
36 55
 
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
36 55
 
Wake Forest University (NC)
36 55

got it...im an idiot

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i do think it's funny that we have this before them.

There's a new Sheriff in town...

[zephyr]

glad to see BU is still on the move!

ULCA is one overall(71) point away from GULC(72). anyone know what the gap was last year? i don't think it was quite this close last year. anyone have the data handy?

cornell seems to have pulled a head a little if i remember correctly. their overall is 74.

[Schruted]

I was informed of this site today regarding academia placement:

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheory/2007/03/entry_level_hir.html

How long can we continue to call NYU overrated before it just seems silly? 5 more years? 10 more?

[mrsdclare]

tag

[In Infernos Dicet]

tag....lets see if this plays out on the 30th.

[Yankees Fan]

I know the 2nd tier is unknown to most of you, but does anyone have a damn clue how USD dropped from 65 to 85?  Best school in its region, very high LSATs for a T2 and 22nd best ranked faculty in the country.

Anyone have a clue WTF happened here?