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Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA

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Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2007, 02:10:10 AM »
1LCorvo is a flippant dolt!!


My reasoning ability increased greatly with each Philosophy class I took, but this brutha obviously experienced the converse.

WHAT HAPPENED TO COMMON SENSE?

I will not engage him in conversation like you all have so graciously done. The daft brutha AIN'T worth it!


1.  If you speak properly, you'll be more pursuasive.

2.  I don't blame you for not arguing with him -- he's clearly sharper than you.



LAUGH OUT LOUD!!!!! Especially at # 1.

Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2007, 11:05:34 PM »
I am not an Upper-Middle Class African American and I came from an impoverished community myself so I will cannot comment on your question about how Middle Class African Americans might feel.  .

I am an upper middle class black woman.

My parents were in the corps diplomatique and I had the privilege of living in a number of cosmopolitan areas of the world.  I certainly never experienced the ghetto, and grew up with almost exclusively white friends.  I graduated with no debt.

Do I feel that I was disadvantaged?  Probably not.  But it is a difficult thing to say, because my upbringing was somewhat unorthodox.  I went to a lot of international schools, where nobody really stuck out.  I felt most awkward at college where the three black girls across the hall pounced into my room the first day and thought we had a bond.  At the same time, I have dated mostly black men.

Will I benefit from AA in this cycle?  Sure.  My numbers are good enough to get into T14 regardless....but the URM status may get me HYS as a nice bonus.  Do I feel guilty about that?  Not really and I'm not sure whether I should. 

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Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2007, 04:15:54 AM »
I am not an Upper-Middle Class African American and I came from an impoverished community myself so I will cannot comment on your question about how Middle Class African Americans might feel.  .

I am an upper middle class black woman.

My parents were in the corps diplomatique and I had the privilege of living in a number of cosmopolitan areas of the world.  I certainly never experienced the ghetto, and grew up with almost exclusively white friends.  I graduated with no debt.

Do I feel that I was disadvantaged?  Probably not.  But it is a difficult thing to say, because my upbringing was somewhat unorthodox.  I went to a lot of international schools, where nobody really stuck out.  I felt most awkward at college where the three black girls across the hall pounced into my room the first day and thought we had a bond.  At the same time, I have dated mostly black men.

Will I benefit from AA in this cycle?  Sure.  My numbers are good enough to get into T14 regardless....but the URM status may get me HYS as a nice bonus.  Do I feel guilty about that?  Not really and I'm not sure whether I should. 


I don't think you should feel guilty, and it appears that you'll be perfectly capable of thriving at HYS, which is what really matters anyway. 

However, I would simply say that it would raise some problematic moral/ethical issues if you were preferred over a significantly less advantaged white/asian who achieved even better numbers despite that disadvantage.

Hey Lindbergh,

I think you should become the Dean of Admissions at Yale after law school.  Or how about Harvard? Stanford?  UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN? :)

That way, you can reject all the unqualified URM applicants--let's not forget how much privilege URMs enjoy--and dole out acceptances to as many poor, disadvantaged white/asian students as you wish.

Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2007, 06:18:30 AM »
Bet you Michael Jordan got pulled over the first time he drove his fancy new car. I'm sure the officer was apologetic once he realized, but...

Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2007, 07:06:26 AM »
Your presumption is unwarranted. Saved ticket money vs. constantly being thought a criminal by the authority figures in society based on the color of your skin. Certainly not an obvious choice.

Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2007, 10:23:52 AM »
This thread is so bizarre...

As a Hume lover, I think the OP is seriously misunderstanding his work (and comes off like one of those not-too-clever kids using big words he doesn't understand).

JSIA

 


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Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2007, 11:29:55 AM »
it appears that you'll be perfectly capable of thriving at [your law school], which is what really matters anyway.

On this, we agree.

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Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2007, 02:41:50 PM »
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=721722

Read that. Though it's not a study about affirmative action or specific instances of racism, it's an interesting survey of student impressions at law school. I think it might well explain what different groups of people feel about the experience of law school.


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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2007, 03:29:45 PM »
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=721722

Read that. Though it's not a study about affirmative action or specific instances of racism, it's an interesting survey of student impressions at law school. I think it might well explain what different groups of people feel about the experience of law school.



Appears to note that minorities and women are less comfortable in law school, without acknowledging the role preferential admissions likely plays in this.  Their solution:  more preferences, and less rigorous academics. 

Read the article, then comment.


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Re: Middle Class Blacks Do Not Need AA
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2007, 03:30:50 PM »
less rigorous academics. 

I will generally stay on the sidelines for this one, but I can't help but note the twist you put on people's demands for additional academic support resources.  It has nothing to do with rigor.