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How Much Debt at Graduation (Anyone Good with Numbers?)
« on: February 23, 2007, 11:05:07 AM »
Pretty specific - but maybe someone good with numbers will lend a hand.

How much debt will I accrue if the following is true:

LS: NYU / CLS
Rent: Slightly subsidized by spouse - I'll pay $700 / month, plus 1/2 utilities, groceries etc.
1L - Max Stafford Loans only - rest paid out of savings (~$18.5k)
1L summer - assume the worst for employment (I have no idea what 1L summers are like)
2L - All loans (Stafford + GradPlus, no private)
2L Summer- Biglaw market rate (~$28-30k pre tax)
3L - All Loans

Q's - How much total debt at Graduation? What does that look like for monthly repayment?

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Re: How Much Debt at Graduation (Anyone Good with Numbers?)
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 03:38:27 PM »
Eh, I had some free time. Here's what I calculated. I only did NYU since the budgets seems comparable (61485@NYU, 61500@CLS). Since the student budget is $22,000 more than max Stafford ($20.5K) plus your savings ($18.5K) I wasn't sure what you meant... so I decided you took the $22K extra as a PLUS.

Assumptions:
1) no financial aid grant money from them (you might get something)
2) you take the entire student budget they let you (many people find ways to take less)
3) a $1500 increase in the cost in the student budget per year (typical for tuition increases)
4) "rent + the rest" = $1,000 a month, and this doesn't change through all 3 years (your rent will probably go up as will cost of services/groceries)
5) you use the loans to pay "rent + the rest" during school
6) 1L summer you make $3000 (enough to cover rent + the rest and nothing more - I'm sure you could make more)
7) 2L summer you use the entire salary, after tax, minus $3,000 in rent, to pay down the PLUS loan (unlikely unless you're VERY good at self-control!)
8) interest rates on loans do not change (6.8 stafford, 8.5 PLUS) nor does the maximum annual amount you can take in Stafford loans (you'll get your interest rates lowered by fractions at repayment, usually like 0.25%)

NYU 1L   $61485
NYU 2L   $62985
NYU 3L   $64485

"0L":
Savings: $18,500
Stafford Sub: $0
Stafford Unsub: $0
PLUS: $0

1L:
Savings: $0
Stafford Sub: $8,500
Stafford Unsub: $12,000
PLUS: $22,500

1L Summer:
Earned: $3,000 after tax
Rent: $3,000
no change

2L:
Stafford Sub: $8,500 old + $8,500 new = $17,000
Stafford Unsub: $12,000 old + $816 interest + $12,000 new = $24,816
PLUS: $22,500 old + $1,913 interest + $42,485 new = $66,898

2L Summer:
Earned: $20,000 after tax
Rent: $3,000
Net: $17,000
Pay down PLUS: $66,898 old - $17,000 BIGLAW = $49,898

3L:
Stafford Sub: $17,000 old + $8,500 new = $25,500
Stafford Unsub: $24,816 old + $1,687 interest + $12,000 new = $38,503
PLUS: $49,898 old + $5,686 interest + $43,985 new = $98,124

Total:
Stafford Sub: $25,500
Stafford Unsub: $38,503 + $2,618 interest = $38,421
PLUS: $98,124 + $8,341 interest = $106,465

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So you'll graduate with $170,386 in combined loans at a weighted interest of 7.86%. According to this calculator, at 10 years that's a monthly payment of $2,055.57. At 30 years if you consolidate, that's a monthly payment of $1,234.83.

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Re: How Much Debt at Graduation (Anyone Good with Numbers?)
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 08:18:58 PM »
Wow, thanks! That is good perpective for me. I'm now terrified!

I actually had meant only $20.5k (had old stafford cap in mind) in loans 1L (w. approx $40k savings) - but that still looks like a pretty formidable $150k plus at graduation. Hopefully I'll get a good 1L summer job!

NYU is $15 cheaper (symbolic anyone?)... financed over 3 years, carry the two... I could buy a scarf!

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Re: How Much Debt at Graduation (Anyone Good with Numbers?)
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2007, 07:43:34 PM »
Wow, thanks! That is good perpective for me. I'm now terrified!

I actually had meant only $20.5k (had old stafford cap in mind) in loans 1L (w. approx $40k savings) - but that still looks like a pretty formidable $150k plus at graduation. Hopefully I'll get a good 1L summer job!

NYU is $15 cheaper (symbolic anyone?)... financed over 3 years, carry the two... I could buy a scarf!
LOL (re scarf). Glad to be of help :) I definitely have way too many Excel spreadsheets to help me figure out how not to go bankrupt over the next few years.

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Re: How Much Debt at Graduation (Anyone Good with Numbers?)
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2007, 10:58:43 PM »
I definitely have way too many Excel spreadsheets to help me figure out how not to go bankrupt over the next few years.

damn.  i just try not to spend more than I make... am I doing it wrong?
Oh, I meant law school loans :) That policy's definitely a good way to go with general spending, though!

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Re: How Much Debt at Graduation (Anyone Good with Numbers?)
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 05:46:49 PM »
Eh, I had some free time. Here's what I calculated. I only did NYU since the budgets seems comparable (61485@NYU, 61500@CLS). Since the student budget is $22,000 more than max Stafford ($20.5K) plus your savings ($18.5K) I wasn't sure what you meant... so I decided you took the $22K extra as a PLUS.

Assumptions:
1) no financial aid grant money from them (you might get something)
2) you take the entire student budget they let you (many people find ways to take less)
3) a $1500 increase in the cost in the student budget per year (typical for tuition increases)
4) "rent + the rest" = $1,000 a month, and this doesn't change through all 3 years (your rent will probably go up as will cost of services/groceries)
5) you use the loans to pay "rent + the rest" during school
6) 1L summer you make $3000 (enough to cover rent + the rest and nothing more - I'm sure you could make more)
7) 2L summer you use the entire salary, after tax, minus $3,000 in rent, to pay down the PLUS loan (unlikely unless you're VERY good at self-control!)
8) interest rates on loans do not change (6.8 stafford, 8.5 PLUS) nor does the maximum annual amount you can take in Stafford loans (you'll get your interest rates lowered by fractions at repayment, usually like 0.25%)

NYU 1L   $61485
NYU 2L   $62985
NYU 3L   $64485

"0L":
Savings: $18,500
Stafford Sub: $0
Stafford Unsub: $0
PLUS: $0

1L:
Savings: $0
Stafford Sub: $8,500
Stafford Unsub: $12,000
PLUS: $22,500

1L Summer:
Earned: $3,000 after tax
Rent: $3,000
no change

2L:
Stafford Sub: $8,500 old + $8,500 new = $17,000
Stafford Unsub: $12,000 old + $816 interest + $12,000 new = $24,816
PLUS: $22,500 old + $1,913 interest + $42,485 new = $66,898

2L Summer:
Earned: $20,000 after tax
Rent: $3,000
Net: $17,000
Pay down PLUS: $66,898 old - $17,000 BIGLAW = $49,898

3L:
Stafford Sub: $17,000 old + $8,500 new = $25,500
Stafford Unsub: $24,816 old + $1,687 interest + $12,000 new = $38,503
PLUS: $49,898 old + $5,686 interest + $43,985 new = $98,124

Total:
Stafford Sub: $25,500
Stafford Unsub: $38,503 + $2,618 interest = $38,421
PLUS: $98,124 + $8,341 interest = $106,465

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So you'll graduate with $170,386 in combined loans at a weighted interest of 7.86%. According to this calculator, at 10 years that's a monthly payment of $2,055.57. At 30 years if you consolidate, that's a monthly payment of $1,234.83.


Wow, can you be my accountant? That was some serious math.  Cheers.