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T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« on: February 20, 2007, 01:28:51 PM »
Hey,

Biglaw billing requirements and hours worked sound pretty terrible to me.  Coming from a T14, will there be options for firms asking for 55-60 hours worked (35-40hr billed) a week?  Do they also recruit like Biglaw?  What kind of salary range would this be? 

I think the Penn people could help out here, they seem to know the firm stuff.  I'm looking to make over 100k, but have a fairly balanced life.  Is this possible?

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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 02:27:54 PM »
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with you there.  Doesn't seem like there's much between the government's $40,000 and Biglaw's $120,000.  I'd like to make enough to buy a house and pay off my loans but still have time for things other than work.
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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 02:54:40 PM »
I haven't worked Big Law myself, but most people on this board who have, seem to say that most Big Law associates will work 60 hours.  Those 80 hour weeks are only if a major project is due, or a complete urban legand.

There are also plenty of MidLaw firms out there with a starting salary in the $75K-$95K range.  They generally have billable requirements to Big Law (from what I've seen), but are located in a lower COL location, so it's not a major drop in salary.

Governtment jobs can range from $45k-$145K depending on what your job is and what level of government that you're working at.
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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 03:10:59 PM »
Wouldn't 40 hours a week billed be over 2000 hrs a year? There have to be firms with 1800 billable hours required, aren't there?

Look around on NALP and you'll see plenty of firms with a minimum requirement of 1800, although the majority from what I've seen have 2000.
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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 03:44:46 PM »
Wouldn't 40 hours a week billed be over 2000 hrs a year? There have to be firms with 1800 billable hours required, aren't there?

I hate the idea of having to clock in though, so I'll most likely be looking to a federal job after graduation (unless I can suck it up and do biglaw for a year or two just to save some money).

There are certainly firms out there above the $125k mark who say that the billing requirement is 1800-1950 annually, but from everything I've heard, I'm led to believe that these are baseline, and that you'll need to be at like 2100-2250...which is 65-70 hours a week if you go by the 2/3rds formula.


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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 03:49:45 PM »
from stuff i've seen, you can't bill every hour you are at work,
so don't just divide billable hours by # of weeks to see how much you need to work.

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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 04:03:53 PM »
from stuff i've seen, you can't bill every hour you are at work,
so don't just divide billable hours by # of weeks to see how much you need to work.

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From my understanding you can only bill for hours you spend directly with the client, so there end up being several hours every day which are not considered billed hours.
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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 04:11:51 PM »
from stuff i've seen, you can't bill every hour you are at work,
so don't just divide billable hours by # of weeks to see how much you need to work.

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From my understanding you can only bill for hours you spend directly with the client, so there end up being several hours every day which are not considered billed hours.

Incorrect. You can bill for any time spent working on the case (research, drafting, court, etc.), whether or not you are spending that time directly with the client.

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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2007, 04:17:30 PM »
I've read elsewhere that it's generally a 2/3 and 1/3 thing:

2/3 of your day is probably billable
1/3 is probably not (checking email, talking to coworker, coffee, etc...)

Some may report closer to 75/25, but I think they're just understating the unbillable time. 

Therefore:

1800 hours billable = 2700 hours total (55hours a week x 49 weeks)

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Re: T14 options working 55-60 hours a week?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 04:21:57 PM »
I've mentioned this in other threads before, but I seriously don't think the billable hour model is the right one for me.  I just can't imagine living my life in six-minute intervals, and having to account for every single six-minute interval of my work day. 
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