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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2007, 10:38:35 AM »
I find the argument "they are taking our spots" as offensive coming from a black person as a white person, but maybe thats just me.

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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2007, 10:41:49 AM »
Man, Butterz aren't you a non-trad?  If so, are you really trying to have this type of trivial argument with a younger applicant? No bueno.

Furthermore, IIRC most boxes say Black or African-American. MoniLi is clearly black, so she is entitled to check the box.  You have ppl who are wondering whether the fact that their great great great great grandfather was blk makes them entitled to click the box and you are arguing that MoniLi shouldn't?  Ridiculous.

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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2007, 10:53:17 AM »
where is this taking our spots stuff coming from.  I re-read the thread and no one has said that.  someone please quote it for me I may have missed it.  I hate that mentality it reeks of entitlement.

also, I've seen an international option.  but I literally went through 100 aps looking for hidden fee waivers etc...so...yeah, maybe its not on all aps.  

"some seperate out Mexicans or Puerto Ricans, but that still has to do with "ethnic" or national background, not current nationality"

I never argued anything about current nationality. I just said it was odd that they subgroup a race (hispanic) into different nationalities, whether that be their current or historic nationality.  I've even seen south asian on some applications.  Yet, they do not do this for black people.  I think I know their reasons for doing this, and I do not like it (numbers game).  However, I cannot say for certain that that is their reason for doing it. I will cede that I am somewhat cynical.

That said, I have no qualms with you reporting the way you did.  I hope I've made that clear, for whatever thats worth - maybe a gum ball or something.

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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2007, 11:01:25 AM »
where is this taking our spots stuff coming from.  I re-read the thread and no one has said that.  someone please quote it for me I may have missed it.  I hate that mentality it reeks of entitlement.

also, I've seen an international option.  but I literally went through 100 aps looking for hidden fee waivers etc...so...yeah, maybe its not on all aps.  

"some seperate out Mexicans or Puerto Ricans, but that still has to do with "ethnic" or national background, not current nationality"

I never argued anything about current nationality. I just said it was odd that they subgroup a race (hispanic) into different nationalities, whether that be their current or historic nationality.  I've even seen south asian on some applications.  Yet, they do not do this for black people.  I think I know their reasons for doing this, and I do not like it (numbers game).  However, I cannot say for certain that that is their reason for doing it. I will cede that I am somewhat cynical.

That said, I have no qualms with you reporting the way you did.  I hope I've made that clear, for whatever thats worth - maybe a gum ball or something.



I think Hispanic is the only case where they seperate it out because some schools give certain Hispanics (usually Mexican and Puerto Rican) more of a boost.  I don't think many schools seperate out South Asian, in fact, they usually lump together the diverse group of Asian/Pacific Islander.  You cannot tell me that someone from Fiji has similar experiences to someone from China.  The trend is more towards broad geographic representations of race/ethnicity than specialised sub-categories.  Hispanic is the exception, not the rule.
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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2007, 11:22:55 AM »
but why do it for Mexicans (Hispanics), and not for blacks?  where does this exception to the rule come from? 
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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2007, 11:27:08 AM »
but why do it for Mexicans (Hispanics), and not for blacks?  where does this exception to the rule come from? 

Because Mexicans have historically born the brunt of a lot of discrimination, etc in the US, more so than many other Hispanic groups.  Blacks people in general are discriminated in the US, they don't care if you are from Ghana, Bahamas, or Dublin, GA.

Superficial example: there are tons of Mexican jokes or stereotypes, but the only Jamaican jokes/stereotypes you hear are amongst Black people.  Most non-Black people don't know and don't care.

ETA:  Most of the time Black people aren't complaining either.  Nobody is disowning Biggie because his Mom is Jamaican and being from Guinea certainly didn't prevent Diallo from being gunned down by the police (the ultimate black experience  ???).
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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2007, 12:32:19 PM »
I find the argument "they are taking our spots" as offensive coming from a black person as a white person, but maybe thats just me.

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I disagree slightly.  I think they are equally wrongheaded, but not necessarily equally offensive.  A white applicant complaining that "undeserving" URM students are taking his (well, usually) spot fails to recognize the reality of educational and other disadvantage most URM students bring to the table.  An African American applicant making this complaint about international black applicants is specifically recognizing those disadvantages.  Further, Madness is right: Adcomms do seize on the opportunity to admit international black applicants with higher entry credentials at the expense of African American applicants with lower entry credentials; it's not the African American students who are pitting themselves against international black applicants, it's the adcomms.  Still, I find the complaint misdirected, crass, unsavvy, etc.  And most important, it should never be leveled at individual applicants, like Moni, who are responding to race/ethnicity and other questions truthfully.

But I'm mostly posting as a belated tag.  Seeing Moni get all up in someone's face is hot.
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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2007, 12:33:53 PM »
Seeing Moni get all up in someone's face is hot.

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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2007, 12:40:23 PM »
I was wondering, if they give advantages to races which have clearly been discriminated against in the nation's past/present, then why not for nationalities that have been discriminated against (think Chinese, Irish, Italians, Mexicans etc)? Or do they? just trying to understand this complicated crap. thanks
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Re: Black LSAT statistics
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2007, 12:50:12 PM »
I find the argument "they are taking our spots" as offensive coming from a black person as a white person, but maybe thats just me.

not just you

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I disagree slightly.  I think they are equally wrongheaded, but not necessarily equally offensive.  A white applicant complaining that "undeserving" URM students are taking his (well, usually) spot fails to recognize the reality of educational and other disadvantage most URM students bring to the table.  An African American applicant making this complaint about international black applicants is specifically recognizing those disadvantages.  Further, Madness is right: Adcomms do seize on the opportunity to admit international black applicants with higher entry credentials at the expense of African American applicants with lower entry credentials; it's not the African American students who are pitting themselves against international black applicants, it's the adcomms.  Still, I find the complaint misdirected, crass, unsavvy, etc.  And most important, it should never be leveled at individual applicants, like Moni, who are responding to race/ethnicity and other questions truthfully.

But I'm mostly posting as a belated tag.  Seeing Moni get all up in someone's face is hot.

I disagree.  They are both neglecting the value that the individual brings to the slot.  Why does a rich or uppermiddle class African American feel entitlement towards a particular slot over an African or Carribbean who may have themselves gone to shanty schools/faced obstacles etc.  Both views implicitly bring the baggage of their own version of merit/entitlement that I find problematic.