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Law and Black people

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Law and Black people
« on: February 03, 2007, 10:52:07 PM »
Is law useless in helping black people achieve racial equality?

Is racial equality even possible in America for black folk?

Hank Rearden

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Re: Law and Black people
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 10:55:53 PM »
Is law useless in helping black people achieve racial equality?

Is racial equality even possible in America for black folk?

1) No.

2) Yes. 

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Re: Law and Black people
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 11:21:15 PM »
Is law useless in helping black people achieve racial equality?

Is racial equality even possible in America for black folk?

1) No.

2) Yes. 

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Re: Law and Black people
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2007, 07:00:07 AM »
The law has been instrumental in most progress we've made toward racial equality.

Better redistributive policies would do much more.

I do believe we will eventually see a time when black people are not at the bottom of most indicators of racial inequality.  I fear that this will more be a product of the dissolution of blackness and whitenss as functional racial categories than it will be from any great surge toward equality, but I hope I'm wrong.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 07:12:46 AM »
1. No.
2. The likelihood is so small that I'm going to have to say no.  At least not foreseeable future.

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Re: Law and Black people
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2007, 07:57:25 AM »
Is law useless in helping black people achieve racial equality?

Is racial equality even possible in America for black folk?

1.No
2.
  a. Legally--yes
  b. De facto--no

Minorities--racial, religious, etc--in a society are usually marginalized; unless that minority subjugates the majority by law or/and force--see apartheid South Africa, or Saddam's Iraq for example of the latter.  Although you have to give America credit for legally making steps to prevent “tyranny of the majority”; human nature makes true equality impossible--human beings are socially clannish in nature, which makes cooperation and equality beyond the clan difficult if not impossible!
   

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Re: Law and Black people
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 08:42:15 AM »
Minorities in a society are usually marginalized. 

No


Oh really?  Why don't you give us your extensive list of societies where minorities are not marginalized?

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Re: Law and Black people
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2007, 09:03:14 AM »
ppl of color in white societies are usually marginalized.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2007, 09:36:56 AM »

I do believe we will eventually see a time when black people are not at the bottom of most indicators of racial inequality.  I fear that this will more be a product of the dissolution of blackness and whitenss as functional racial categories than it will be from any great surge toward equality, but I hope I'm wrong.

I'm curious about this.  I generally agree with you that eventually people will fail to notice or care about the difference between white and black cultures, and this will coincide with essential racial equality with regard to poverty, IQ, etc., but why is this something you fear?  I don't see how racial equality could come about in any other way.  Over history we have seen many cultures exchange cultural traits in favor of American ones, and Americans likewise adopt the traits of other cultures.  Such exchange is usually a key ingredient in attaining equality between ethnic groups (I'm thinking of the Jews, the Irish, the Germans).  Why is such an exchange good for those ethnic groups but bad for blacks? or is it good for those ethnic groups at all?

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2007, 09:41:08 AM »
chinese in the philippines
jews in russia
whites in Bolivia or south africa
lebanese in cote d'ivoire
indians in kenya
igbos in nigeria

etc., ad nauseam



I think you should do some more extensive research.  Because, although on paper it may seem that these minorities are treated equally in society, most of those places suffer from de facto marginalization!  For example read this article on the The Philippines:

  http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/philippines/philippines.html#chinese

--click on "Chinese Filipinos."  In this case, because Chinese Filipinos are less active polically, they are seen as less of a threat.  Don't mistake these things for equality!