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Accuracy of index site

Accuracy of index site
« on: February 26, 2004, 12:00:42 PM »
Anyone care to attest to the accurcay of this spreadsheet provided in another thread?



Re: Accuracy of index site
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2004, 12:52:13 PM »
I've been wondering myself...of course, it's based almost totally on numbers, so that's one thing. The main thing I've been wondering about is where do they get URMs are to add 3-6 points to their LSAT. I've also been wondering why it looks easier to get into Columbia than NYU...and into Stanford than Harvard and Yale, according to the spreadsheet and my numbers (is NYU more GPA-heavy?). They also don't have anything on the spreadsheet concerning adding or deducting points to the GPA in relation to what undergrad you attended (which I've seen lists of which schools get what before online) or any of the other wild cards that affect index #. Checking the spreadsheet against, you can see it's not TOTALLY accurate (Stanford has been rejecting people who have gotten into H and Y quite a bit, it seems, this year)...but it still seems pretty good, though, for giving you an idea, as long as you're a pretty regular applicant. I think I can now see why people have been getting into schools ranked higher than Georgetown and Boalt (although I knew Boalt was GPA-heavier than the other schools but didn't know why people were getting into schools like Michigan, Penn and UVA but getting waitlisted or rejected at G-Town).

Re: Accuracy of index site
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2004, 12:54:56 PM »
hey dsds,

do you know what the quality points are for undergrad institutions as you mentioned in your reply to my post...that might help better assess my chances as I am at a top 20.


Re: Accuracy of index site
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2004, 12:56:25 PM »
I remember all top 20s getting a GPA boost (I attended a top 20, so I know I looked closely at that)...I'm not sure, but I think it's about .2 GPA points...I'm going to do a search and see if I can find the site this info was on. If I find it, I will post it.

Re: Accuracy of index site
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2004, 02:26:25 PM »'s what I've found/remembered:

I remembered finding this information through the Deloggio Achievement Program site a few years ago and vaguely remembered something about Boalt. So I went back to that site and, sure enough, Boalt is the school that started this. The chart either used to be on Deloggio's site or Boalt's site...however, now I don't see it on either. But it's called the Berkeley System--some schools do it, some don't and some do it differently than Boalt does (like, I know I remember reading that Penn allegedly adds .2 to the GPA from certain schools...some schools also do it even for "grade inflation" schools).

So check this site:

A few things on this site: I wouldn't say all schools view your grades as worthless if your school's mean is a 3.2+, especially if your school is top 20. Also, in Montauk's book "How To Get Into the Top Law Schools" the "feeder" schools to Columbia (and probably many other top law schools) are listed as (in order from the most to the least) Yale, Columbia, Harvard, Brown, Penn, Stanford, Berkeley, Dartmouth, Princeton, Cornell, Michigan, UT-Austin, UCLA, NYU, Duke, UVA, Brigham Young, Barnard, Emory, Wellesley, Georgetown, Northwestern, Rice and Smith. I'm pretty sure a lot of these schools have means above 3.2 (Emory's is a 3.3, for example). I think if your school is one of these schools, then you probably get a boost in admissions at most schools (as Deloggio indicates feeder schools do). They will probably look more at how well students with your GPA from your undergraduate school have done at their law school.

Re: Accuracy of index site
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2004, 12:23:19 PM »
I had the luck to graduate from Penn and our mean GPA is 3.6. ^^

However, the mean GPA for students coming out of Penn's engineering school (or at least those of majors like bioengineering, comp sci, etc.) is nowhere near that high.  Depending on whose estimate I trust, comp sci majors, for instance, have a mean varying from 2.7 to 3.0.

Am I screwed then? :)  My engineering GPA was around 2.8 but my GPA for courses I took for my 2nd degree (non-engineering) was 3.7, but since I spent a lot more time on engineering courses, I finished with around a 3.1, which is much lower than Penn's mean (Penn has a 4 to 1 ratio of non-engineering to engineering students, and thats not talking about the ones who actually apply to law, which would probably be even higher in favor of non-engineering students).