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Best schools for BIGLAW?

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 08:23:25 PM »


I'm not as certain about this as you are.



This I agree more with :) And I didn't necessarily disagree with with the previous point either. Although, I don't see it as automatic that HYS goes before CLS in BigLaw.


I don't think there's a major difference between CLS (and Chicago) and HYS when it comes to biglaw placement.

However, HYS are generally somewhat more selective than other top schools, especially in the area of GPA and soft factors.  Also, they consistently get better reputation ratings in USNews.  It would therefore make sense for most firms to have at least a small preference for HYS grads. 

However, it's not worth arguing about it (further) for me, and I honestly don't know conclusively.

There is a large difference on the V10 front.  As far as  placement at Big firms, the only difference is really on the coasts, and that difference is relatively minimal.  CCN places very well on both coasts, but HYS will get you a job at a V25 anywhere. The difference comes in Clerking and in academia, which is mostly a prestige aspect.  If you want to practice law at a large firm, you will be fine coming from CCN.  However, if you are obsessed with prestige OR want to either clerk with a top judge in a top market or want to teach, HYS will  be more beneficial  than many board indicate.  I am a law student who has interviewed in over fifteen cities, and I can legitimately say that the difference comes in the clerking.  If you want to clerk on most compettive markets, say NY or Cali, HYS will give you many more options than CCN.  However, given the recent increase in starting salaries, clerking is starting to diminish in desire.  A post on this board could easily be dedicated to whether it is worth it to clerk in today's market, given the opportunity cost.  Its a very interesting discussion.  If you want to work in corporate law, I would seriously think about taking a CCN scholarship over HYS becuase the cost is substantial in the market today.  If you want to work  in BIGLAW and don't really care about clerking or academia,  I seriously would consider taking a scholarship at CCN.  Just an FYI.  Out of  any of the top 5 schools though, you shouldn't really worry about job prospects, unless you are committed to Watchell. The rest of the firms will go very deep into the class at the T5.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2007, 03:03:17 PM »
Well, Wachtell and I assume Cravath to some degree will only pick top of the class, no matter what school you attend. I'm pretty sure you're right in what you're saying. As for getting V25 jobs anywhere, there's only 4 V25 firms on the west coast in total, everything else is Chicago and eastwards so I wouldn't worry too much about that :)

Just out of curiosity, why did you interview in 15 cities? No preference at all where you want to work?

Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2007, 07:47:32 AM »
By the way, would anyone explain why Vanderbilt students perform so well in getting into Biglaws (even better than some of the top14 law schools)?
Thanks a lot.

GOB

Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2007, 04:22:57 PM »
As for getting V25 jobs anywhere, there's only 4 V25 firms on the west coast in total

There are only four V25 firms with their main offices in West Coast cities, but many V25 firms have LA/SF/SD/SV/OC offices.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2007, 07:48:31 PM »
By the way, would anyone explain why Vanderbilt students perform so well in getting into Biglaws (even better than some of the top14 law schools)?
Thanks a lot.


As noted, Biglaw largely depends on ratings/reputation, and Vandy is just outside of the T14 in rep/ratings, so it's obviously going to do pretty well.

However, I wouldn't say it does better than any T14's -- do you have an example?

Also, Vandy's placement is more regional than the T14's, although it does have a semi-national rep, just like UCLA, UT, USC, GW, etc.

Vandy's placement is not regional at all. It probably has the best national reach of any school outside of the T14. Only 46% of their students stayed in the Southern US from the Class of 2006. They place well not only in the South, but in LA, DC, and NYC.

T14 is obviously the best for BigLaw, but Vandy, UCLA, GW, USC, Fordham, and Texas all offer great BigLaw opportunities that aren't has geographically limiting as people want to believe (especially at Vandy and Texas).

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2007, 08:02:54 PM »

 Vandy, UCLA, GW, USC, Fordham, and Texas all offer great BigLaw opportunities that aren't has geographically limiting as people want to believe (especially at Vandy and Texas).

Fordham?  lolz

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2007, 08:06:46 PM »

 Vandy, UCLA, GW, USC, Fordham, and Texas all offer great BigLaw opportunities that aren't has geographically limiting as people want to believe (especially at Vandy and Texas).

Fordham?  lolz

Fordham grads are well represented in almost all top Biglaw firms in New York.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2007, 08:12:00 PM »
Oh I know, but the post I was questioning stated that Fordham was not geographically limiting ... Fordham does not have the "approaching-national" rep of Vandy or UCLA.  This is why Fordham has traditionally been in the 30s.

Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2007, 08:33:25 PM »
By the way, would anyone explain why Vanderbilt students perform so well in getting into Biglaws (even better than some of the top14 law schools)?
Thanks a lot.


As noted, Biglaw largely depends on ratings/reputation, and Vandy is just outside of the T14 in rep/ratings, so it's obviously going to do pretty well.

However, I wouldn't say it does better than any T14's -- do you have an example?

Also, Vandy's placement is more regional than the T14's, although it does have a semi-national rep, just like UCLA, UT, USC, GW, etc.
vandy is said to be higher than yale in the NLJ ranking.

Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2007, 08:45:32 PM »
By the way, would anyone explain why Vanderbilt students perform so well in getting into Biglaws (even better than some of the top14 law schools)?
Thanks a lot.


As noted, Biglaw largely depends on ratings/reputation, and Vandy is just outside of the T14 in rep/ratings, so it's obviously going to do pretty well.

However, I wouldn't say it does better than any T14's -- do you have an example?

Also, Vandy's placement is more regional than the T14's, although it does have a semi-national rep, just like UCLA, UT, USC, GW, etc.
vandy is said to be higher than yale in the NLJ ranking.

that means nothing since a good proportion of YLS grades take clerkships and head for academia