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Best schools for BIGLAW?

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2007, 02:12:10 PM »
A-'s?

Your new avatar is frightening now, btw.

I got one grade higher than I expected and one exactly as I expected.  I like the new (temporary) avatar becuase it can be interpreted in so many ways.  Is he frighteningly happy?  Is he trying to mask his obvious rage with a smile?  Has he simply done so poorly that evil tactics formerly beneath him are now the only thing on his mind?  Or did he do so well that he's grown to despise the stupidity of his classmates and is now unabashedly gunning?

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2007, 04:17:46 PM »
Or did he do so well that he's grown to despise the stupidity of his classmates and is now unabashedly gunning?

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2007, 09:27:23 PM »

The best schools for biglaw are the following:
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1168423325385

I hate this article precicely because students like miller think it represents.  There are several flaws in taking it as a ranking.  One has already been pointed out - the students at elite schools who choose not to work in firms are not doing so becuase they are unable to get a job with one.  That makes it unfair to compare Yale, where less than 50% of grads go the firm route immediately, with Columbia, where more thn 75% of grads choose the firm path.  Second, the article treats placement at any of the 250 largest firms as equal.  Some firms are simply more desireable to most students, and, if I were interested in biglaw, I would want a ranking that accounted for the quality/prestige of the firms where grads are working.  Finally, the size of the firm is based on the number of associates nationally.  Most national firms have an office in three or four major cities.  As a result, these rankings are going to have a bias towards graduates from law schools in major cities.  This is a little misleading.  We can easily imagine a graduate of Minnesota working at an office in Minneapolis that has as many attorneys and pays as much as the NYC offices of national firms, but which doesn't count among the 250 largest law firms becuase it is one of two offices for that firm, rather than one of 8 for the NYC firm. 

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2007, 01:54:53 PM »
lol thank you for moving this to the top, this is such a n00b post from JSHM

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2007, 06:32:16 PM »
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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2007, 07:13:29 AM »
this thread is approved.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2007, 10:12:14 AM »
Law firms are probably the biggest prestige whores of all.  So, yes, I think USNWR should generally give you a good idea of the best schools from which to get BIGLAW.  However, keep in mind coast bias: You might have a slightly easier time getting a job in NYC or DC coming from Stanford than from Harvard, due to supply and demand.

Having recently had a talk with a lawyer at Wachtell that was involved in interviewing candidates he admitted that they gave a very minor (and he emphasised very minor) boost to candidates from Harvard and Yale (the guy in question is a Harvard UG, YLS grad so figures), and Stanford, Columbia, NYU and Chicago were collectively ranked as the second tier for them. To what degree this translates to other law firms, I know nothing about.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2007, 03:02:51 PM »
Credit goes where credit's due; Columbia totally owns the V100 market. That may be self-selection, it may not - impossible to find out. But no other school, HYS included, places anywhere near as many graduates in V100 firms as CLS does.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2007, 03:38:26 PM »
Credit goes where credit's due; Columbia totally owns the V100 market. That may be self-selection, it may not - impossible to find out. But no other school, HYS included, places anywhere near as many graduates in V100 firms as CLS does.


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This is clearly self-selection -- no one really believes that CLS is preferred over HYS by biglaw hiring partners (though it's certainly not far behind).

I'm not as certain about this as you are.

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However, this does raise an important point: If you want biglaw, and don't get into a top school, make sure you attend a respected program in a major urban area.  That's where both the large firms and your alumni base will be.

This I agree more with :) And I didn't necessarily disagree with with the previous point either. Although, I don't see it as automatic that HYS goes before CLS in BigLaw.

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Re: Best schools for BIGLAW?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 04:14:53 PM »
Yeah, that is a point, but on the other hand Columbia has an explicit 'corporate' focus which also leads to them attracting the best faculty in that business. HYS is better overall, no doubt, but I got a feeling there's some specialization love for CLS, dunno. I'm not going to either of those schools, so makes no difference to me either.

That being said, I think 99% of the graduates from any of the top 6 schools can pretty much pick the type of job they want - even if they may not be able to pick the firm.