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Taking UMich over Columbia???
« on: December 06, 2006, 11:35:54 PM »
Is it crazy to pick UMich with a small scholarship over Columbia with no scholarship?  I know Columbia is ranked higher, but i do not want to practice in NYC, and I am worried about cost of living.  Will it make a significant difference under the following circumstances??

1. Academia is a goal
2. Biglaw is a goal
3. Government is a goal
4. The midwest is a geographic priority

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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2006, 11:36:22 PM »
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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2006, 11:42:04 PM »
1. Academia is a goal - Advantage Columbia
2. Biglaw is a goal - Advantage Columbia
3. Government is a goal - Advantage Columbia
4. The midwest is a geographic priority - Advantage Michigan (mostly through self-selection)

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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2006, 11:44:42 PM »
A LSD poster last cycle picked Texas over Columbia, so stranger things have happened. Columbia has every advantage but the midwest one, and, in fact, with less people from Columbia applying to the midwest it may even be easier to a land job there. I'd take Columbia, but just for the better job prospects (I hate NYC too)
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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2006, 11:58:40 PM »
1. Academia is a goal - Advantage Columbia
2. Biglaw is a goal - Advantage Columbia
3. Government is a goal - Advantage Columbia
4. The midwest is a geographic priority - Advantage Michigan (mostly through self-selection)



Okay, any thought on how much of an advantage?  I.e. it is way easier to become a prof from Columbia,etc...

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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 12:04:45 AM »
Okay, any thought on how much of an advantage?  I.e. it is way easier to become a prof from Columbia,etc...

It depends.  According to Leiter's rankings Columbia has produced more Supreme Court clerks over the last 10 years (2-3 per year) which is almost a prerequisite for top professorships.  That being said, Michigan definitely produces its fair share of SC clerks (1-2 per year).  Both have experience in producing future professors at top schools, but Columbia has a slight advantage.  Either way, the requisites will be the same at both schools: top grades, Law Review, published work, etc.
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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2006, 12:11:28 AM »
Okay, any thought on how much of an advantage?  I.e. it is way easier to become a prof from Columbia,etc...

It depends.  According to Leiter's rankings Columbia has produced more Supreme Court clerks over the last 10 years (2-3 per year) which is almost a prerequisite for top professorships.  That being said, Michigan definitely produces its fair share of SC clerks (1-2 per year).  Both have experience in producing future professors at top schools, but Columbia has a slight advantage.  Either way, the requisites will be the same at both schools: top grades, Law Review, published work, etc.

This brings me back to my original problem.  My (uninformed) view is that taking UMich over Columbia will hurt me primarily at the very elite of positions: best professorships, best biglaw positions, best government,etc...however will it really hurt for (not average but less rare) regular biglaw, profs, govt?  There may be a significant difference between top 10% at each school, but what about top 25%?



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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 12:13:42 AM »
IF I wanted to go to the midwest and teach at a low tier 1 or high tier 2 school, or take an attorney general staff position, or work with a V50? does it matter?

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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 12:37:35 AM »
IF I wanted to go to the midwest and teach at a low tier 1 or high tier 2 school, or take an attorney general staff position, or work with a V50? does it matter?

At that level it doesn't really matter.  The differences don't start making themselves apparent until you get to the top jobs in every legal field (academia vs. gov't. vs. BIGLAW vs. non-profit, etc). 
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Re: Taking UMich over Columbia???
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 12:52:06 AM »
IF I wanted to go to the midwest and teach at a low tier 1 or high tier 2 school, or take an attorney general staff position, or work with a V50? does it matter?

At that level it doesn't really matter.  The differences don't start making themselves apparent until you get to the top jobs in every legal field (academia vs. gov't. vs. BIGLAW vs. non-profit, etc). 

Thanks for the advice.  I take it you are shooting for a top job.  Which field?