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PNym

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Even if one were to view AA as a unearned "hook up," I know more white people who benefit from the unearned "hook ups" American life has to offer than I do black. 

Do two wrongs make a right?

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

John Galbraith

The single most potent argument against conservatism

"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm-- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves. "

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. "

What non-leftists think of leftists.

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bull. You only claim to care about the position of minorities because it gives you an excuse to assert your moral superiority. Admit it, "ace."

Yeah, he's selfish.

So are you, for that matter. You desire a mark of moral distinction, but pretend that you objectively do not. At least I'm honest enough to admit that I, as an individual, like having and owning things and being esteemed by people whose values I agree with, rather than running around posing as though I didn't.

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You're being an idiot again. Go away.
This sig kills fascists.

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=dashrashi

Saw dashrashi's LSN site. Since she seems to use profanity, one could say that HYP does not necessarily mean class or refinement.

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You're being an idiot again. Go away.

Dostoevsky would be proud. Make me.

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You're being an idiot again. Go away.

Dostoevsky would be proud. Make me.

Seriously, what do you expect to gain here?

Coming to this forum to fire vacuous barbs that claim "libs" are (for some reason) disingenuous and inconsistent in their views and actions is simple trollish behavior. And yet you act annoyed when everyone ignores you - or worse, doesn't take you seriously.

There is plenty of good literature out there for you to consume - both for and against - if you want to learn something about AA. If you're looking to have an honest discussion here, to perhaps learn something (if not that, then I guess I just don't understand your motivations), perhaps you should (at least attempt to) check your clumsy rhetoric at the door.

Otherwise...
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Cady on October 16, 2007, 10:41:52 PM

i rhink tyi'm inejying my fudgcicle too much

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Huey on February 07, 2007, 11:15:32 PM

I went to a party in an apartment in a silo once.

PNym

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You're being an idiot again. Go away.

Dostoevsky would be proud. Make me.

Seriously, what do you expect to gain here?

Coming to this forum to fire vacuous barbs that claim "libs" are (for some reason) disingenuous and inconsistent in their views and actions is simple trollish behavior. And yet you act annoyed when everyone ignores you - or worse, doesn't take you seriously.

There is plenty of good literature out there for you to consume - both for and against - if you want to learn something about AA. If you're looking to have an honest discussion here, to perhaps learn something (if not that, then I guess I just don't understand your motivations), perhaps you should (at least attempt to) check your clumsy rhetoric at the door.

Otherwise...

Well, that's what I had attempted to do, participatind in an honest argument. I had forwarded the arguments that had convinced me to oppose AA, but then people who opposed that position began to childlishly slag and troll away.

After spending a significant amount of time typing substantiative refutations to the bizarre tangents that people were ascribing to my position, I decided to @#!* it and flame back.

If I recall, you were one who had initially provoked this round of mudslinging, although H4CS deserves the lion's share of the blame.

If you go for a low blow, don't expect me not to retaliate. Don't try to take the high ground after you're partially responsible for creating the pigsty.

And I had made my statement about leftists (not liberals, leftists) in response to someone claiming that their support of AA meant that they "cared." Assumption that their position showed a greater "caring" has been central to the leftist position for 100s of years, and accusations of "not caring" have been central to accusations hurled by leftists towards non-leftists for 100s of years, from Rousseau towards Burke to English Democratic Socialists towards Hayek. I merely provided the centuries-old retort, in the tradition of the other political philosophy.

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Honestly, if you care, read this thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,64541.0.html

Read it all of the way through, and give an honest effort to understand what she's talking about.

Also, like piggy and H4CS have commented, it does get a little boring whenever someone comes in here guns-a-blazing. Like the Captain said, "I mean, you bluster in here like you have something interesting to say as though this debate hasn't been hashed out a million times and you don't realize when people are calling you out...beautiful snowflake, and all."


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Cady on October 16, 2007, 10:41:52 PM

i rhink tyi'm inejying my fudgcicle too much

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Huey on February 07, 2007, 11:15:32 PM

I went to a party in an apartment in a silo once.

PNym

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Honestly, if you care, read this thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,64541.0.html

Read it all of the way through, and give an honest effort to understand what she's talking about.

Also, like piggy and H4CS have commented, it does get a little boring whenever someone comes in here guns-a-blazing. Like the Captain said, "I mean, you bluster in here like you have something interesting to say as though this debate hasn't been hashed out a million times and you don't realize when people are calling you out...beautiful snowflake, and all."


FWIW, I typed my initial reply while listening to elevator music piped in by the credit protection company as I cancelled my credit protection plan. I really had no idea about the acrimonious history of these discussions.

I'm not really sure how anyone could assume that I had written what I wrote because I wanted to feel special, either. I had merely been responding to the topic at hand, and particularly the acrimony between the two positions in this argument, which, given a history of similar acrimony that has arisen wherever affirmative action policies have been implemented around the world, seemed fairly appropriate.

I didn't step into this thread to pick a fight, which is why I was so offput by the response I received. Insinuating that I was a "special little snowflake" or whatever was totally uncalled for, and thoroughly inaccurate.

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one just makes more sense to a non-URM who didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth...

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I'm fairly certain you have something more useful to do with your time.