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Why did Sarah Palin resign?

Personal scandal
 5 (17.2%)
Probable indictment
 7 (24.1%)
Just plain craziness
 3 (10.3%)
Looooong lead up to 2012
 4 (13.8%)
Something else
 2 (6.9%)
Some combination of the above
 8 (27.6%)

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #7870 on: February 01, 2009, 08:49:37 PM »
Wow, this is most pro-police I've ever seen P!

Hardly.  But I am a defense-attorney-in-training, you know.

This is probably one of the better quality videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlfNNiwoa_E

I think the video is pretty clear, especially, considering the position of Grant's hands right before and after the shooting and that his hands stayed in that position during the shooting.

Yes, I've seen it.  I agree that he was probably cuffed.  I think he was being cuffed right before the shooting.  I just wanted to point out that all of the police officers present say that he was not cuffed, and no one has yet proven that he was. 

I think it's murder regardless.
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« Reply #7871 on: February 02, 2009, 12:48:17 AM »
Wow, this is most pro-police I've ever seen P!

Hardly.  But I am a defense-attorney-in-training, you know.

This is probably one of the better quality videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlfNNiwoa_E

I think the video is pretty clear, especially, considering the position of Grant's hands right before and after the shooting and that his hands stayed in that position during the shooting.

Yes, I've seen it.  I agree that he was probably cuffed.  I think he was being cuffed right before the shooting.  I just wanted to point out that all of the police officers present say that he was not cuffed, and no one has yet proven that he was. 

I think it's murder regardless.

I wonder if they'll ever charge the officer who punched Grant?
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« Reply #7872 on: February 02, 2009, 01:16:25 AM »
I wonder if they'll ever charge the officer who punched Grant?

I really hope they do.
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« Reply #7873 on: February 03, 2009, 01:28:52 AM »
did anyone catch this little bit of "justification" at the u?...the suicide bombings have to stop, no?

Jew-Hate at UCLA   
By Eric Golub
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, February 02, 2009

A "Gaza and Human Rights" symposium hosted by the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)ís Center for Near Eastern Studies instructed attendees on how best to spread anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism, and anti-Americanism.

Attendees advocated for many unrelated leftists, from Lenin to Che Guevara, while students were busy texting, Twittering, and checking Facebook.

Moderator Susan Slyomovics, the director of the Center for Near Eastern Studies, offered typical leftist academic condescension.

"I have done extensive research on Israel and Palestine. After all, this is not Fox TV. This is UCLA."

She must have meant the Fox News Channel, unless she was comparing her research abilities to Homer Simpson.

UCLA history professor Gabriel Piterberg followed. He described an "Israeli onslaught on Gaza Palestinians" and labeled IDF soldiers "war criminals."

He alleged the "forced removal of the indigenous people in favor of the settler nation-state," with Palestinians supposedly being the former and Israelis the latter.

He cited Karl Marx, referencing popular revolts in China and India and the Algerian struggle against France as examples of the proletariat overthrowing oppressors. Palestinians would rise up next, he predicted.

He repeated the debunked charge that Israel has killed Gazans using white phosphorous.

Lisa Hajjar, University of California, Santa Barbara Law and Society Program Chair, was up next. Considering her biases, Hajjarís eloquence made her the most dangerous speaker.

She falsely claimed that "Israel violates the Fourth Geneva Convention." Moreover, like al-Qaeda, the Geneva Conventions don't apply to Palestinians. Neither are nations.

Israel was repeatedly labeled an "occupier" of "occupied territories," the Gaza Strip and West Bank, when the proper terminology is "disputed territories." The fact that Israel left Gaza in 2005 didnít seem to register either.

She conceded, to the audienceís consternation, that, "War is permissible. Not all war is illegal," and later, "Collateral damage alone is not necessarily a war violation." Yet, she went on to state, "Civilians have a right to immunity. Intentionality is key."

She repeated the lie that Israel deliberately targets civilians, as well as the white phosphorous falsehood. As she put it, "Israel should only target whatís necessary."

"Denying food and water is inhumane. Itís a war crime" and Israelis, Hajjar added, "are war criminals."

She concluded her nonsense about "proportionality" with the bizarre, irrelevant statement: "male private part Cheney is the enemy of all mankind."

Next came Richard Falk, University of California, Santa Barbara Professor of Global and International Studies and 9/11 conspiracy theorist. Falk is the newly created UN "Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories" and was recently denied entry into Israel for his biased and morally repugnant statements.

He declared Gaza an "unequal war," as if Hamasís ineptitude should be treated as the war equivalent of affirmative action.

He claimed Hamas initiated the Egyptian-mediated June 2008 cease-fire to avoid cross-border violence. He called the ineffectual cease-fire "a diplomatic initiative that would have ended the conflict."

He seemed to think that because Hamasís attempts to violate the cease-fire failed to murder Israelis, Israel had no retaliation rights.

Falk described Hamasís daily firing of into Israel as "wrong, imprudent, and immoral," but added that "the rockets did little damage, and were not a significant threat."

He alleged "Israeli aggression against a defenseless society," moments after justifying rockets.

Falkís litany culminated with the outlandish statement: "America and Israel are most addicted to reliance on moral superiority. They practice genocidal geopolitics."

UCLA English professor Saree Makdisi, who spoke last, peddled numerous fallacies.

He stated that "dropping ordinances is not okay," neglecting to mention that Israel also drops evacuation warnings in order to save civilian lives.

He declared Gaza a "child prison" and said that, "the goal of Israel is to deliberately starve children."

Makdisi later thundered, "If you want to stop rockets into Israel, Israel must end the occupation!"

Audience questions demonstrated a complete and utter disinterest in Gaza. "Democracy Now," the "Leninist Workers Revolutionary United Party," Dennis Kucinich, and even Kitty Dukakis were mentioned.

Ludicrous ramblings included the statements, "Iran needs nukes to protect itself against America and Israel," and "Israel has violated norms of civilized behavior. Palestinian resistance is the non-violent alternative."

I then calmly asked my question.

"When are any of you going to ask Palestinians to take personal responsibility for their own corruption and failures, and admit theyíre entirely responsible for their own miserable lot in life by choosing suicide bombings and terror over protecting their own children?"

Lisa Hajjar replied that it's pointless to argue about "who started it." "Occupation was the issue. Oppressed people must fight oppressors."

I interrupted her by asking, "What about suicide bombings?"

Forgetting the event was being filmed, Hajjar lost her cool and retorted, "If you think I favor suicide bombings, then that Zionist hat on your head is screwed on way too tight!"

I replied that my hat was a Fedora, not a Chasidic hat. An "educated" woman would know the difference, although her lack of knowledge about hats was secondary to her bigoted statement. I told her "Your comment was out of line, bigoted and racist."

She acknowledged such comments hurt "her cause" from a public relations standpoint, employing the same tacit language used to describe suicide bombings as "not helpful." She backed down, apologizing twice, yet reiterating that everything else she had said was justified.

The final incredulous moment came when Makdisi, asked to condemn Iran for supplying Hamas with weapons, claimed, "Hamas is a political group. I have no idea where they get their weapons."

This symposium sent a pair of clear message: Hamas and the Palestinians are identical. The academics involved absolved them both while blaming Israel alone. They neither distinguished self-defense from murder, nor disavowed murder. No mention was made of Israelís right to exist.

Luckily, the students on hand appeared to be more indoctrinated by Blackberry video games than the apologists for terrorism on the podium. Then again, those games also involve blowing stuff up.

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« Reply #7874 on: February 06, 2009, 12:50:52 PM »
NOW I uunderstand b-dub.  KRS has BEEN bonkers.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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« Reply #7875 on: February 07, 2009, 01:09:53 PM »
Man I been out da loop.  Have we talked about Michael Steele yet?  Is this the end of the Republican party or what?  I almost feel sorry for the real die hard social conservative red necks, first a black president, and now this.
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« Reply #7876 on: February 08, 2009, 09:59:53 AM »
Hopefully this is the end of the reign of the social cons and the beginning of the Republican Party's getting back to its fiscally conservative roots.

He's not exactly a social liberal, though.  I remember him comparing embryonic stem cell research to the Holocaust.  But we shall see.
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« Reply #7877 on: February 08, 2009, 11:55:04 AM »
Maybe they can go back to being the Whig party.

With the state of affairs as they currently are, it's very conceivable that the social conservatives could indeed break off from the fiscal conservatives and form their own party.  I mean, the social conservative faction is the engine that drives the republican party.  Can you see them quietly taking a back seat for the next 4 years?
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« Reply #7878 on: February 08, 2009, 08:46:24 PM »
The fiscal cons will have to become a heck of a lot smarter and more disciplined if they're going to come close to a majority.
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« Reply #7879 on: February 08, 2009, 09:11:15 PM »
True, but if they do, I think they'd appeal to a great swath of America.  As it stands, though, their identity is too closely tied to the social cons.

And they are far too unprincipled.  Most of them are willing to spend exorbitant sums on the military and space exploration, for example, and they almost all approve of infrastructure spending in their home states.  It makes them easy targets.
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