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Why did Sarah Palin resign?

Personal scandal
 5 (17.2%)
Probable indictment
 7 (24.1%)
Just plain craziness
 3 (10.3%)
Looooong lead up to 2012
 4 (13.8%)
Something else
 2 (6.9%)
Some combination of the above
 8 (27.6%)

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #7860 on: January 29, 2009, 06:29:11 PM »
where want julie paint first?

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« Reply #7861 on: January 29, 2009, 06:43:51 PM »
Yup no surprise there.  Although I do wonder what will happen if he's not actually convicted of anything.

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« Reply #7862 on: January 30, 2009, 07:50:12 PM »
That would just make it interesting! But I am sick of Blago. I gonna need him to shut up now.
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« Reply #7863 on: January 30, 2009, 10:59:36 PM »
Yup no surprise there. Although I do wonder what will happen if he's not actually convicted of anything.

either way, he not guv.

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« Reply #7864 on: January 31, 2009, 12:11:56 AM »
That would just make it interesting! But I am sick of Blago. I gonna need him to shut up now.

another corrupt inane hypocritical democrat...r.i.p donkee!
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« Reply #7865 on: January 31, 2009, 01:08:05 AM »
Well I wouldnt go that far.  Boring or not Gore would have made a much better president than Bush.  A tin can would have made a much better president than Bush.  I prefer dullness over dumbness any day.   

Man, they can't do that to me!  My man Dan and Keith?!  I don't think they'll ever get rid of him.  The "opposition viewers"  you speak of get on my last nerves.  They only watch the opposite of whatever's in power?  How about formulating one's own opinion or finding something politically neutral?  O'reilly and Hannity-  "fixed news" should be ashamed of themselves. Oh and whatever that morning program is needs to be put off the air.  Today they had some dumbness about a study of baby names of juvenile offenders.  Of course all the black- sounding names were on the "at risk" list and white sounding names were considered safe.  I'm gonna need Fox news to be less obvious with their racism.  I see this blatant BS as an insult to my intelligence.

aye think bush was better for the us than gore would have been...we needed "wrangler politics" after 911 and most of my friends who are middle eastern agree that gore would have encouraged more turmoil and probably not have had the stomache to fight back...sorry...if aye walked into a barfight aye wouldn't want to be with my smartest friends...aye would want to be with someone who scares the shite out of the aggressors and has the balls and knowhow to throw down...

bush was fine...like truman...his moves with regard to enemies and tyranny, in "w's" case: "radical islamist guerrillas" and "saddam hussein" and us security will be seen as beneficial...with history there is no mystery...you may not see it now but there are many who see how a similar legacy will play out...t.e. lawrence and faisel carved up iraq..years after the treaty of sevres, bush put it back together again and ridded the mesopoetamian region from tyrannical rule...

well aye am a periodical man myself when seeking out real news...but as far as entertainment news....aye enjoy the opposition point of view.

hannity is going to have a great run at fox...his popularity has increased since the election...o'reilly not as much movement...has solid ratings....but then again...the old folks...aye loved his interview with obama...only one who didn't give obama a pass...it was great...fact of the matter is that the contrary opinion to who is in power is also the more enticing and interesting...like watching a car wreck...

aye turn off fox news when it is inane...eg...morning shows...

aye haven't watched fox as frequently as other entertainment news in the past eight years...but aye enjoy the contrary banter...

seriously though...olbermann was full of some major b.s...still is...his effete barking into the camera had NO effect on how the operations in iraq were excecuted...and that was olbermanns main screed...in fact...his barkings are now more like yips since the mesopoetama is in a redeployment mode...and bush was able to walk all over the democrats in congress...bush got everything he wanted from them...probably why keith was such a frustrated man...but olberman is now a bore to me and he used to be so much more entertaining...except now he is... r e a c h i n g...he started reaching toward the end of the election and aye don't watch him anymore...aye do enjoy hannity once in a while...he is my new "keith olbermann"...you just have to be able to smell the bull...keith shat a lot of bull in the past years and padded his apartment with the methane green...
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« Reply #7866 on: February 01, 2009, 09:58:32 AM »
 Obama remakes political rules
By: Charles Mahtesian
February 1, 2009 06:57 AM EST

Three months after his election, President Barack Obama continues to remake the political landscape—and there’s no clearer example than Friday’s election of Michael Steele as the Republican National Committee's first black chairman.

It took the election of the nation’s first African-American president, one who won landslide margins among blacks, Latinos and Asians, to convince Republicans of the party’s increasingly urgent need to expand its appeal beyond its overwhelmingly white base. And it was Obama’s ability to produce emotive rhetoric on cue that reminded the GOP of the power of a forceful communicator.

“Clearly Obama’s success contributed to Steele’s victory,” said former Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas), who served two terms as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. “Had Obama not won, I can’t imagine the Republicans would have elected an African-American chairman.”

Obama’s historic presidency, the way in which he won and the scale of the crises he inherits have scrambled some of the underlying assumptions about American elections and politics and altered the laws of political logic.

"Barack Obama's a phenomenon,” said California Republican Committeeman Shawn Steel after Friday’s election. “It's going to take a phenomenon just to challenge him. Michael is the one guy we have, regardless of background, who can do that."

Call it the Obama phenomenon.

The architecture of Obama’s presidential victory has already led to a rethinking of the electoral map. By winning nine states carried by George W. Bush, he ended the notion of electoral map determinism, the dominant presidential election narrative for close to two decades.

Even the Solid South isn’t so solid anymore, as Obama carried Virginia and North Carolina and nearly won in Georgia.

In many states, a corollary to the widely-held opinion that a black man couldn’t win the presidency was that an African-American couldn’t win statewide either. But following Obama’s win, that notion is being challenged by pols including Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), who is leaving a safe, majority black House seat to run for Florida’s open Senate seat in 2010.

“The idea that an African-American can’t win statewide in Pennsylvania is no longer the assumption,” said Pennsylvania Democratic Party Chairman T.J. Rooney, who notes that former professional football player Franco Harris is suddenly viewed as a very attractive prospective Senate candidate. “The evolution in politics has been so quick and profound over the past 18-24 months.”

Political analyst Charlie Cook, publisher of the influential Cook Political Report, is skeptical of the notion that Obama is somehow rewriting the rules.

“There’s not a lot new that the Obama campaign did. They just did things better and took them to a higher level. Had you not had Dean, you would not have had Kerry. And if not Kerry, then you wouldn’t have Obama.”

Obama’s effect on the nation’s political landscape, he says, “was evolutionary, not revolutionary.”

Still, even in Washington some of the long-standing rules of engagement appear to be in the process of being rewritten.

Political imperatives once led President Bill Clinton to declare that the era of big government is over. Suddenly, it’s not.

Polls even suggest that regulation-averse voters embrace the prospect of a sweeping Obama administration overhaul of the nation’s financial regulatory system.

Then there is the experience of Timothy Geithner, the recently confirmed treasury secretary. The old political rules governing Cabinet-level nominees — particularly those charged with overseeing the Internal Revenue Service — dictate that failure to pay more than $34,000 in Social Security and Medicare taxes would be a fatal blow to confirmation prospects.

This time, it wasn’t. The administration dismissed the news as an honest mistake, and Geithner was confirmed by a 60-34 vote. Former Sen. Tom Daschle, Obama’s nominee for Health and Human Services, looks likely to also win confirmation, despite a $100,000-plus back tax bill for a car and driver provided by a wealthy friend. That, too, was an honest mistake, according to the administration, which is understandably taking full advantage of an unlikely new dynamic in which that claim holds water.

It's too early to tell whether all of this signals a rulebook that is in the midst of being rewritten—or just a fleeting moment caused by the euphoria surrounding the history-making nature of Obama's win.

“Politics in this country has changed,” says Frost. “But the pendulum swings in this country. I don’t think you can say the politics have changed permanently.”

As evidence of that, Rooney offers an alternative assessment of the meaning of Michael Steele's victory over four other candidates for RNC chairman.

"You could also make the case that he was the least crazy of all of them."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18248.html

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« Reply #7867 on: February 01, 2009, 12:36:47 PM »
BART cop's defense claims Taser mistaken for gun
Stephen C. Webster
Published: Saturday January 31, 2009

Shooter's bail set at $3 million as protest flares in Oakland; Outside agency taking over investigation

According to files released Friday, Johannes Mehserle, the Bay Area Rapid Transit officer who shot and killed 22-year-old Oscar Grant on New Year's Day, told a fellow officer he planned to shock Grant with his Taser, not shoot him.

During a crowded Friday hearing, Alameda County Superior Court Judge Morris Jacobson set Mehserle's bail at $3 million.

"That is the type of bail that will go a long ways toward ensuring future appearances in court," said the judge.

Also on Friday, it was announced that an outside agency would take over the shooting investigation, displacing BART Police Chief Gary Gee after he circulated a memo describing how BART employees might go about sending money and material comforts to Mehserle.

"It is unacceptable for the police chief, who ostensibly is investigating Mehserle and other officers ... To encourage officers to visit and make financial contributions to Mehserle," said John Burris, who represents Oscar Grant's family.

Judge Jacobson said he set Mehserle's bail so high because he believes the officer gave an "inconsistent story." He went so far as to say the defendant might "make up a story to avoid the consequences of his actions."

"Jacobson said Mehserle told fellow BART police officers that he was going to use a Taser on Grant, a 22-year-old Hayward man, but after Mehserle shot Grant he told a colleague, 'I thought he had a gun,'" reports San Francisco's KTVU.

The court documents, which contain statements from fellow BART officers present during the shooting, indicate that Mehserle had intended to use a Taser on Grant.

"I'm going to taze him, I'm going to taze him," Mehserle said, according to Officer Tony Pirone. "I can't get his arms. He won't give me his arms. His hands are going for his waistband."

Immediately after the shot, Pirone claims Mehserle said, "Tony, I thought he was going for a gun."

(continued) http://rawstory.com/news/2008/BART_cops_defense_claims_taser_mistaken_0131.html
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« Reply #7868 on: February 01, 2009, 01:13:37 PM »
In fairness, I don't believe the stories "I planned to taze him" and "I thought he had a gun" are at all inconsistent.  An officer may use a Taser on someone because he believes that person may have a gun (and reserve deadly force for when he knows that person has a gun).  Regardless, I am really SMH over all this.  It's a tragic shame.
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« Reply #7869 on: February 01, 2009, 01:16:32 PM »
In fairness, I don't believe the stories "I planned to taze him" and "I thought he had a gun" are at all inconsistent.  An officer may use a Taser on someone because he believes that person may have a gun (and reserve deadly force for when he knows that person has a gun).  Regardless, I am really SMH over all this.  It's a tragic shame.

wasn't grant cuffed though?