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Why did Sarah Palin resign?

Personal scandal
 5 (17.2%)
Probable indictment
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Just plain craziness
 3 (10.3%)
Looooong lead up to 2012
 4 (13.8%)
Something else
 2 (6.9%)
Some combination of the above
 8 (27.6%)

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4730 on: June 01, 2008, 04:24:14 PM »
one comment about the new Obama situation.. he's wack..that is all ...
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4731 on: June 01, 2008, 05:28:12 PM »

Loyalty and sincerity are critical character issues for the President of the US. Multiple demonstrated abilities are also required.

O RLY. 

In any case, yes, this is why I think less of Obama as a candidate for leaving the church, because he has been disloyal to the cause that made me identify with him most.

You've made this disloyal comment before-  to which cause? Anti- Washington?  I don't see how is leaving the church in any way has anything to do with his political policies.  Perhaps the media really was calling the sick and shut in list-  I wouldn't put past 'em.

I'm on the fence about his leaving the church.  On one hand, I feel like they kinda went out of their way


my problem with the statement isn't the fact that folks are assuming that she wants Obama killed (i think that may be a stretch honestly) but the timing of it with Ted Kennedy just getting diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor.. i think it was insensitive to make a reference to his family about a tragedy during a time of tragedy..

If the use of the term "assassination" was so outrageous, why did no one peep about this when the same comment appeared in her March interview in Time?  This whole flap is a tempest in a teapot created by Rupert Murdoch's NY Post which originally published a story saying that Clinton had made "a comparison" between RFK and Obama.  The Obama campaign seized that sentence from the Post and sent it out to reporters. (e.g., from the Times: "Shortly after Mrs. Clinton spoke on Friday, the Obama campaign jumped on the story, sending an e-mail message to reporters saying her comment had no place in a presidential campaign. It linked to a online report in The New York Post that said Mrs. Clinton was 'making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama' — a phrase the newspaper later dropped.")  Later this weekend, as I learned on This Week, the Obama campaign was sending around transcripts of Olbermann's comment while publicly saying that it wanted to just move past this "unfortunate" incident.  I understand why people are sensitive about the topic of political assassination, especially since we may be on the verge of having our first black president, and I am usually the first to criticize Clinton for various dog whistles, but I'm tired of the dishonesty about this. 

FWIW, the Clinton '92 example is a terrible example for a number of reasons, among them that he had the nomination sewn up by mid-March.  It just so happened that California still held its primary in June in '92.  The RFK example was arguably marginally better since there were still multiple viable candidates in the middle of the summer of '68 and historians have argued for years about who would have won if RFK had lived.  Both, obviously, are inapt examples since California now holds its primary in February.

Why is everyone giving her the benefit of the doubt?  No, I don't think she wants him dead but she does wish some ill would befall him so she can get the nomination.  It's not only that she was insensitive to the Kennedy family or to Obama but it clearly shows something is up w/HRC.
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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4732 on: June 01, 2008, 05:39:47 PM »
You've made this disloyal comment before-  to which cause? Anti- Washington? 

Anti-racism, uplift for the little people, liberation theology.  These are the things that gave me the most hope, if you will, about Obama.  I liked it when he defended TUCC's mission and I think he still could without political fallout.  I do respect that he made his decision in part to protect his congregation, which makes me less angry.  But I'm still sad.
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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4733 on: June 01, 2008, 05:53:41 PM »
Ah, *&$#@.  Apparently Roger "Porno King" Stone has the a damn tape.  God, I hate, hate, HATE that man.

ETA: Stone has meddled in/screwed over Indian politics for years.  He's purportedly the puppetmaster who orchestrated the  evil staffing of the Interior Department in 2001.
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« Reply #4734 on: June 01, 2008, 06:46:36 PM »
It seems a lot of people were determined to use that church to drag him down, and the reverends weren't terribly considerate of that. 

Indeed, but the preachers shouldn't have been considerate of that--the church is obviously not very PC, and that shouldn't change for Obama (as he recognized).  But while we might not find anything wrong with the non-PC statements, like Obama said in his letter, the media would have kept bringing up whatever supposedly anti-American, racist, etc. sentiments that were expressed anywhere within the church in an attempt to associate those statements with Obama.  The man is trying to win an election and doesn't need that.  Wright, the former pastor of the church, hurt him badly.  The statements made by other preachers and members of the church were starting to hurt him.  Severing ties with the church just seems like a logical way to nip all of this in the bud...because who knows what someone might say close to election time that could deal him a serious blow.

Father Pfleger Bashed Clintons...Again  ABC News Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper
June 01, 2008 12:02 PM

Apparently last Sunday, Father Michael Pfleger -- the fiery liberal activist and longtime friend and associate of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois -- gave another sermon mentioning the Clintons disparagingly, in addition to the one he gave at Obama's (now former) church.

At his own church, St. Sabina's, Pfleger said, "Hillary and McCain would wish they had a preacher with the integrity of Jeremiah Wright. … They got some old weak preacher…some old Joel Osteen cotton candy preacher."

Listen to it HERE. The comments come at about 15:40 into the sermon.

On March 2, Bill and Chelsea Clinton went to Joel Osteen's church in Houston.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/father-pfleger.html




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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4735 on: June 01, 2008, 07:41:43 PM »
You've made this disloyal comment before-  to which cause? Anti- Washington? 

"... I liked it when he defended TUCC's mission and I think he still could without political fallout.  I do respect that he made his decision in part to protect his congregation, which makes me less angry.  But I'm still sad..."

NewsBusters
Aide: Obama's Decision to Leave Church 'Not Political'
By Mark Finkelstein | June 1, 2008 - 18:55 ET
"...It wasn't political . . . but the first reason Gibbs cites is the intriniscally [sic] political one of not wanting to be tarred with the views of loons like Father Pfleger? And Obama quit so the members of Trinity could engage in "quiet reflection"? As in jumping to their feet, laughing and applauding as Pfegler mocks Hillary Clinton's tears or Rev. Wright speaks of Bill "riding dirty"?..."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/06/01/aide-obamas-decision-leave-church-not-political

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4736 on: June 02, 2008, 12:31:32 AM »
Rules Committee Delivers Setback to Clinton

I watched this on CSPAN the other day and caught Wexler's testimony - it was fun times, indeed.

7S quits Obama

Well, that strikes me as rather shortsighted, but whatever.  I, for one, will not hate on the man's right to leave the church for whatever reason - whether it was a good idea is another question, but it's still his business.
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« Reply #4737 on: June 02, 2008, 12:42:25 AM »
Yeah I lumped Wright and the church together.  I don't think it will be viewed very negatively given the flack his association with the church has caused over the past few months.

You can't lump them together. Wright, people can get over. Trinity, on the other hand...and then to say that he wouldn't find a church home until after January (after the election)...what a slap in the face. Man, stop using your church membership as a political platform and then changing it when it become politically inconvenient. 

Yeah, I don't get this.  Having dealt with preacher politics most of my life, I personally am inclined to think it's

(b) they are arrogant or tone deaf enough not to realize how their remarks will be perceived

but regardless, Obama has the right to pick a church on whatever matters to him, be it political expedience or whether they use water crackers for communion - I've broken with churches for political reasons before, and though I'd like to think that my reasons were "better," who's to say?  As for not picking another one 'til after the election, that's just plain smart.

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4738 on: June 02, 2008, 12:53:52 AM »
Father Michael Pfleger



Oh for @#!*'s sake - SHUT UP.

(Point of Clarification: That was to Pfleger, not gp.)
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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4739 on: June 02, 2008, 02:18:22 AM »
Rules Committee Delivers Setback to Clinton

I watched this on CSPAN the other day and caught Wexler's testimony - it was fun times, indeed.

7S quits Obama

Well, that strikes me as rather shortsighted, but whatever.  I, for one, will not hate on the man's right to leave the church for whatever reason - whether it was a good idea is another question, but it's still his business.

Of course Obama has the right to leave Trinity for any reason-including political ones. However, that is not the Obama I started supporting a year ago and not the Obama I want to support now. If I wanted to support a candidate so easily swayed by popular opinion, I would have supported Clinton or Edwards.
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