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Why did Sarah Palin resign?

Personal scandal
 5 (17.2%)
Probable indictment
 7 (24.1%)
Just plain craziness
 3 (10.3%)
Looooong lead up to 2012
 4 (13.8%)
Something else
 2 (6.9%)
Some combination of the above
 8 (27.6%)

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4480 on: May 07, 2008, 07:30:55 PM »
 :D

I'd be concerned about that 50% of Clinton supporters not supporting Obama in November though.

Hope you're happy with yourself if 3 more John Roberts get put on the Supreme Court.
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...

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« Reply #4481 on: May 08, 2008, 08:17:10 AM »
 A train wreck is coming May 20
By: David Paul Kuhn
May 8, 2008 07:49 AM EST

Not long after the polls close in the May 20 Kentucky and Oregon primaries, Barack Obama plans to declare victory in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And, until at least May 31 and perhaps longer, Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to dispute it.

It’s a train wreck waiting to happen, with one candidate claiming to be the nominee while the other vigorously denies it, all predicated on an argument over what exactly constitutes the finish line of the primary race.

The Obama campaign agrees with the Democratic National Committee, which pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates—a figure that excludes the penalized Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination—a tally that includes Florida and Michigan.

“We don’t accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan,” said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton’s two chief strategists. “It’s a phony number.”

Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC’s 2,025 number “every day,” as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.

In January, Clinton won both states by wide margins when Obama did not actively contest them. The two states were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries not sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.

Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold—1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.

“On May 20 we’re going to declare victory,” said an Obama senior advisor who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, adding that after those contests they will be “the ones with the most pledged delegates and the most popular votes.”

While the nature of that declaration of victory is “still developing,” in the advisor’s words, the Obama campaign contends that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates should be the party nominee.

“Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded,” wrote Obama campaign manager David Plouffe Wednesday in a memo to superdelegates. “It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules - your rules - which we built this campaign and our strategy around.”

But the Clinton campaign’s insistence on counting Florida and Michigan would alter not only the overall delegate math, but the pledged delegate math as well. Because if the two states are included in the count, the total number of pledged delegates would rise from 3,253 to 3,566—which means the magic number for a majority rises to 1,784, not 1,627 as the Obama campaign asserts.

By hewing to that interpretation, the Clinton campaign would thus be able to raise doubts about a May 20 declaration of victory by Obama.

Since the earliest possible resolution of the Florida/Michigan dispute is May 31, when the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet in Washington to address petitions from Michigan and Florida DNC members, the 11-day period between the May 20 primaries and the RBC meeting could produce a chaotic stretch where Obama claims to be the party nominee while Clinton argues otherwise.

Already, the two campaigns are gearing up for the battle.

“With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days,” wrote Plouffe in his memo. “While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.”

“You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn’t mean that the mission has actually been accomplished,” Wolfson said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4482 on: May 08, 2008, 08:22:11 AM »
so is this all for show now?
It is easy to change the language of oppression without changing the sociopolitical situation of its victims.

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4483 on: May 08, 2008, 08:25:42 AM »
basically, and it's not even amusing anymore

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« Reply #4484 on: May 08, 2008, 09:54:07 AM »
what a mess...
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...

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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4485 on: May 08, 2008, 10:43:49 AM »
Clinton is just looking hurt now.  Just let him have it, Hill.  Then you can sit back and chuckle in November when he loses.
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« Reply #4486 on: May 08, 2008, 11:52:13 AM »
Clinton is just looking hurt now.  Just let him have it, Hill.  Then you can sit back and chuckle in November when he loses.

are u a real person?
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« Reply #4487 on: May 08, 2008, 02:43:31 PM »
Yes, yes, I know what she meant.  I was just joking with her.  But do you really think we need another round of voting?...

Aww, someone came to my defense!  That like, never happens anymore! :D  (And yet, people still think I'm a guy.  Never quite figured that one out.)

And yes, I do, though you weren't asking me.  You could make it very quick on the heels of the other though, to save on advertising inundation.
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« Reply #4488 on: May 08, 2008, 02:52:13 PM »
Clinton is just looking hurt now.  Just let him have it, Hill.  Then you can sit back and chuckle in November when he loses.

are u a real person?

One who's apparently coming to Michigan, no less.
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Re: The Thread on Politics
« Reply #4489 on: May 08, 2008, 02:58:36 PM »
Yes, yes, I know what she meant.  I was just joking with her.  But do you really think we need another round of voting?...

Aww, someone came to my defense!  That like, never happens anymore! :D  (And yet, people still think I'm a guy.  Never quite figured that one out.)

And yes, I do, though you weren't asking me.  You could make it very quick on the heels of the other though, to save on advertising inundation.

The benefits of instant-runoff voting is that there is only one election (saves tons of money for the people running them), but have basically the same effect of a runoff.

(Unfortunately I don't know you, since you seem like a great person, but unless it's obvious from someone's avatar or username I have no compunction using 'he' until the grammaticians in Oxford come up with a gender-neutral pronoun that is as concise.)

Clinton is just looking hurt now.  Just let him have it, Hill.  Then you can sit back and chuckle in November when he loses.

Get a clue. I dislike Hillary's campaign just as much as you appear to dislike Obama's, but Justice Stevens will be 88 next January. Breyer and Ginsburg are in their 70s. Unless you think McCain'll appoint a few Souters (fat chance in this age of "Federalist" Society conservative judicial dominance), vote. It's no longer even plausible, but as recently as a week ago I was saying that if Hillary managed to pull this out I would do my own lesser-of-two-evils dance with voting booth.
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