3.75---169---Ivy---where to apply ED

[carthageinruins]

I think you have a good chance at any of those schools if you really play up your application. Is there one you would most like to go to? I think with ED you would have a very good chance at Columbia, Chicago or NYU. For whatever it's worth I know people with similar numbers who got into NYU.

Yeah, I know I could theoretically get in....but quite frankly, I would say its more likely I will not. With that in mind, I want to give myself the best chance to get into one of those schools. Both CLS or UChi would be fine...I just want to know, considering both the overall size of their respective classes and the odds of acceptance for both programs via ED, which one would be more advantageous.

[Yale College Inferno]

I don't think you should apply ED either..it really seems like you're not paying enough attention to the differences between schools...law school selection is not just a casino game to wager on.

If you have a reasonable shot at schools you prefer to get into, I really don't think it makes sense for you to ED at a lower choice just in the hopes that your odds will be increased.

Then again, it seems that you ahve already made up your mind to ED at Chicago, since you seem to fight/debate with anyone who suggests anything different...

[carthageinruins]

I don't think you should apply ED either..it really seems like you're not paying enough attention to the differences between schools...law school selection is not just a casino game to wager on.

If you have a reasonable shot at schools you prefer to get into, I really don't think it makes sense for you to ED at a lower choice just in the hopes that your odds will be increased.

Then again, it seems that you ahve already made up your mind to ED at Chicago, since you seem to fight/debate with anyone who suggests anything different...

The way I see it, I am the type of person who adapts well to whatever situation I am in, so I would be fine wherever. I am just trying to figure out if Chicago ED makes more sense than Columbia in terms of the average acceptance rate for UChi ED vs. CLS ED, and if I am deferred (which is probably what will happen)--will ED give me any kind of a boost later on in the application process, etc.

I really appreciate your help though...I guess I am just a strange person, no geographical preferences, money isn't an issue, etc.

[jamesbond]

There is far too much sugarcoating of information on this site.  Your stats are borderline for CCN.  You will most likely get waitlisted--->rejected at all of them.  If you get in, it will probably be off the waitlist, unless you have some special connection to one of the schools.  If you're coming right from undergrad and have no sig. work experience, your chances are even worse.  Applying ED will help you marginally at best.  Applying ED to Columbia will most likely get you deferred to the regular pool where you will be waitlisted.  Chicago probably similar situation.  NYU, who knows because it's their first ED year. 

You're much more competitive for schools like Penn and Michigan. 

Also, why are you so insistent about applying ED to law school?  It will barely boost your chances, and could even be a detriment at places like Columbia, and you'd be foolishly locking yourself into a school without knowing enough about it or visitng.  While NYU and Columbia are very similar, the student body at Chicago is very different from those two.

[Nizzy]

I am not quite understanding some of the negative sentiment here.  He is borderline for CCN, why not pick the one he likes the best and apply ED.  Yeah, maybe it won't help much, but it can't hurt.  The only issue of course, is that you have to be happy with that school even if you get into one of the other two.  The comment about financial aid is just silly.  Need-based aid is not connected to this and there is no real chance that he will get significant merit aid from a school he wants.  Obviously, if he is seriously considering a school in the 15-20 range (assuming he gets money), then this would be a bad idea.

[jamesbond]

1) You're misconstruing "negative sentiment" for realistic opinion. 

2) Merit-based aid is often given out under the guise of "need-based aid".  At top schools, need-based aid is next to non-existent, and applying ED completely removes you from the financial aid radar. 

[Towelie]

1) You're misconstruing "negative sentiment" for realistic opinion. 

2) Merit-based aid is often given out under the guise of "need-based aid".  At top schools, need-based aid is next to non-existent, and applying ED completely removes you from the financial aid radar. 

Not true at all. If you apply ED, you are still entitled to the same amount of need-based financial aid you would have gotten otherwise. If you apply ED, you won't get the same scholarship money you might get otherwise.

[carthageinruins]

1) You're misconstruing "negative sentiment" for realistic opinion. 

2) Merit-based aid is often given out under the guise of "need-based aid".  At top schools, need-based aid is next to non-existent, and applying ED completely removes you from the financial aid radar. 

I think I am being fairly realistic about my chances at CCN....that is, if I apply ED, I will probably be deferred and then waitlisted rd, where I might sneak in, but its unlikely. That being said, do you really think ED would hurt me? I understand my stats make me more of a match for Penn, UVA, perhaps Boalt, hell, even those might be a stretch..but does that make EDing at CCN unwise?

As for fin aid, I'm not worried about it---taking out loans isnt a problem and my family will help with most of the loan amount

[Yale College Inferno]

1) You're misconstruing "negative sentiment" for realistic opinion. 

2) Merit-based aid is often given out under the guise of "need-based aid".  At top schools, need-based aid is next to non-existent, and applying ED completely removes you from the financial aid radar. 

Not true at all. If you apply ED, you are still entitled to the same amount of need-based financial aid you would have gotten otherwise. If you apply ED, you won't get the same scholarship money you might get otherwise.

Regardless of whether you are "entitled" to it, you probably won't get the same amount of aid. Different schools will give you need based awards, and you can compare/negotiate for more aid based on other schools' offers. With ED, and only one offer, there is nothing to compare/negotiate.

[carthageinruins]

1) You're misconstruing "negative sentiment" for realistic opinion. 

2) Merit-based aid is often given out under the guise of "need-based aid".  At top schools, need-based aid is next to non-existent, and applying ED completely removes you from the financial aid radar. 

Not true at all. If you apply ED, you are still entitled to the same amount of need-based financial aid you would have gotten otherwise. If you apply ED, you won't get the same scholarship money you might get otherwise.

Regardless of whether you are "entitled" to it, you probably won't get the same amount of aid. Different schools will give you need based awards, and you can compare/negotiate for more aid based on other schools' offers. With ED, and only one offer, there is nothing to compare/negotiate.

yeah, thats undeniable....is that even up for debate?