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« on: August 04, 2006, 10:39:41 AM »
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Minority women held back in private law firmsBY ANDREW HARRIS
Bloomberg News
Eighty-one percent of minority women quit private law firms within five years because they get shunted into dead-end jobs and aren't welcomed the way other new employees are, according to an American Bar Association report.

Black, Asian, Latino and American Indian women routinely miss out on the best law firm assignments and have the toughest time advancing their legal careers, says the ABA's 141-page report, ``Visible Invisibility, Women of Color in Law Firms.''

Minority women ''often became stuck in dead-end assignments so that as third and fourth-year associates, their experience lagged behind their white male counterparts limiting their advancement potential and career trajectories,'' the report says.

The study, published Thursday, urges firms to enforce existing anti-discrimination and anti-harassment policies, and do more to integrate minority women into firms' professional and social fabric.

''What we see is this intersectionality of the effect of race and the effect of gender,'' said attorney and sociologist Arin Reeves, who co-chaired the ABA Commission on Women in the Profession study.

Michelle Schultz, 34, an Asian-American partner in the Los Angeles office of Chicago's Kirkland & Ellis said she was not surprised by the findings.

''It's not just law firms but the profession in general,'' Schultz said.

Washington partner Walter Lohmann co-chairs Kirkland's diversity committee. ''Female lawyers of color are in a doubly challenging situation and have needs to be addressed,'' he said.

The 1,100-lawyer firm has created both a diversity committee and several subcommittees addressing specific groups including women, minorities and gays, Lohmann said. Forty of Kirkland's 491 partners are minorities, 11 of those minority partners are women.

The ABA's Reeves -- an ethnic Indian -- quit the practice of law to open a diversity consulting firm, the Chicago-based Athens Group, which counsels large law firms. Reeves said she is selective about her clients, focusing efforts on those firms that want ``a real change.''

''There are people who want a diversity initiative and people who want diversity,'' she said.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2006, 01:18:33 PM »
What's your opinion about all of this, blue?  Any proposals to improve the situation?

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2006, 01:31:07 PM »
What's your opinion about all of this, blue?  Any proposals to improve the situation?
I don't know if this is a particularly good question to be asking Blue.. He might say something along the lines of "they just need to open their legs wider" 


I am suprised that there isn't some sort of AA type organizations set up to help combat this type of discrimination.

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2006, 02:00:31 PM »
What's your opinion about all of this, blue?  Any proposals to improve the situation?

i doubt i will ever be a hirerer, so it doesnt matter to much.

but im always pro women!
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2006, 02:06:04 PM »
What's your opinion about all of this, blue?  Any proposals to improve the situation?

i doubt i will ever be a hirerer, so it doesnt matter to much.

but im always pro women!

How ironic would that be if you went into labor law?

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2006, 02:07:06 PM »
Right, what law firm isn't looking for ways to increase minorities at all levels of the firm these days? The results of this 'study' are partially a byproduct af AA in law school admissions accepting lesser qualified applicants, and then those applicants being hired upon graduation just because they went to a top school and are a female minority. And it is just plain hard for anyone to move up at a law firm and get good assignments, not just minority women. How many leave to have children? How many leave on their own accord?    

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2006, 02:07:28 PM »
What's your opinion about all of this, blue?  Any proposals to improve the situation?
I don't know if this is a particularly good question to be asking Blue.. He might say something along the lines of "they just need to open their legs wider"  

I am suprised that there isn't some sort of AA type organizations set up to help combat this type of discrimination.


I know he can say some obnoxious things, but I would think he can tone it down in a context such as this.  I assume he has some serious thoughts on this topic, given he's brought it up.

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2006, 02:09:28 PM »
Right, what law firm isn't looking for ways to increase minorities at all levels of the firm these days? The results of this 'study' are partially a byproduct af AA in law school admissions accepting lesser qualified applicants, and then those applicants being hired upon graduation just because they went to a top school and are a female minority. And it is just plain hard for anyone to move up at a law firm and get good assignments, not just minority women. How many leave to have children? How many leave on their own accord?    

That's true, but that doesn't justify further increasing the difficulty for these female lawyers at a chance for advancement

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2006, 02:10:32 PM »
What's your opinion about all of this, blue?  Any proposals to improve the situation?

i doubt i will ever be a hirerer, so it doesnt matter to much.

but im always pro women!

How ironic would that be if you went into labor law?

Def something ive considered.

and what people dont seem to realize is, there are only so many top positions.  and the people in them dont give them up often.

so, it will prob take a few generations b4 you start seeing more women in higher positions of power.
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