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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2006, 08:30:48 AM »
not you get it?  kill!

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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2006, 11:19:07 AM »
A) Israel is killing Hezbollah, but neither of us konw whether Hezbollah has actually replaced their dead fighters.  Even if Hezbollah is replacing fighters faster than Israel can kill them, Israel has no other choice but to use force against Hezbollah and Lebanon.  The UN has been in Lebanon but has done nothing to prevent Hezbollah from raiding the border.  When a country decides to use force, it must be of last resort and overwhelming force.

B)  Look, war is war and all targets are fair game.  In the old days, an army would kill every man woman and child.  That is Hezbollah's tactic but Israel is dropping fliers warning of destruction, making phone calls to warn people, and only destroying infrastructure.  The fact that Hezbollah uses airports, roads, trains and automobiles to receive thousands of rockets and other munitions, and would use the same to transport their hostage out of Lebanon makes those targets fair game.

You cant have it both ways and say Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, but Israel should have used less force.  If Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, then Israel is entitled to use all the force necessary to defeat Hezbollah. 

Lebanon is either a rogue state or not a sovereign country.  Sovereignty precludes a rogue army from operating within your borders to attack neighbors. 

C) A country should use overwhelming force in a war.   Of the levels of overwhelming force, Israel is using the least destructive method because they are not deliberately attacking civilians and they are giving plenty of warning.

We get it...using excessive force will help. I sooo wish that works but time will tell. I would reserve my comments and let the future events dictate your future opinions on this issue.

Julie you right...lets just kill!

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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2006, 12:06:50 PM »
well, julie just trying to go with flow.

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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2006, 12:12:53 PM »
A) Israel is killing Hezbollah, but neither of us konw whether Hezbollah has actually replaced their dead fighters.  Even if Hezbollah is replacing fighters faster than Israel can kill them, Israel has no other choice but to use force against Hezbollah and Lebanon.  The UN has been in Lebanon but has done nothing to prevent Hezbollah from raiding the border.  When a country decides to use force, it must be of last resort and overwhelming force.

B)  Look, war is war and all targets are fair game.  In the old days, an army would kill every man woman and child.  That is Hezbollah's tactic but Israel is dropping fliers warning of destruction, making phone calls to warn people, and only destroying infrastructure.  The fact that Hezbollah uses airports, roads, trains and automobiles to receive thousands of rockets and other munitions, and would use the same to transport their hostage out of Lebanon makes those targets fair game.

You cant have it both ways and say Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, but Israel should have used less force.  If Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, then Israel is entitled to use all the force necessary to defeat Hezbollah. 

Lebanon is either a rogue state or not a sovereign country.  Sovereignty precludes a rogue army from operating within your borders to attack neighbors. 

C) A country should use overwhelming force in a war.   Of the levels of overwhelming force, Israel is using the least destructive method because they are not deliberately attacking civilians and they are giving plenty of warning.

We get it...using excessive force will help. I sooo wish that works but time will tell. I would reserve my comments and let the future events dictate your future opinions on this issue.

Julie you right...lets just kill!

It isnt excessive if there are no other options. Besides, Hezbollah doesnt want a cease fire for peace, they want it so they can reload and ready for their next attack.
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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2006, 12:50:02 PM »
A) Israel is killing Hezbollah, but neither of us konw whether Hezbollah has actually replaced their dead fighters.  Even if Hezbollah is replacing fighters faster than Israel can kill them, Israel has no other choice but to use force against Hezbollah and Lebanon.  The UN has been in Lebanon but has done nothing to prevent Hezbollah from raiding the border.  When a country decides to use force, it must be of last resort and overwhelming force.

B)  Look, war is war and all targets are fair game.  In the old days, an army would kill every man woman and child.  That is Hezbollah's tactic but Israel is dropping fliers warning of destruction, making phone calls to warn people, and only destroying infrastructure.  The fact that Hezbollah uses airports, roads, trains and automobiles to receive thousands of rockets and other munitions, and would use the same to transport their hostage out of Lebanon makes those targets fair game.

You cant have it both ways and say Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, but Israel should have used less force.  If Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, then Israel is entitled to use all the force necessary to defeat Hezbollah. 

Lebanon is either a rogue state or not a sovereign country.  Sovereignty precludes a rogue army from operating within your borders to attack neighbors. 

C) A country should use overwhelming force in a war.   Of the levels of overwhelming force, Israel is using the least destructive method because they are not deliberately attacking civilians and they are giving plenty of warning.

We get it...using excessive force will help. I sooo wish that works but time will tell. I would reserve my comments and let the future events dictate your future opinions on this issue.

Julie you right...lets just kill!

It isnt excessive if there are no other options. Besides, Hezbollah doesnt want a cease fire for peace, they want it so they can reload and ready for their next attack.

...according to you.

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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2006, 03:03:32 PM »
what other options are there?  before you say the UN, remember that the UN has been there and has done nothing.  Before you say negotiations, remember that a country that has been attacked generally doesnt want to negotiate with its attackers. 
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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2006, 05:10:22 PM »
what other options are there?  before you say the UN, remember that the UN has been there and has done nothing.  Before you say negotiations, remember that a country that has been attacked generally doesnt want to negotiate with its attackers. 

Hizballah has said it will cease firing rockets if Israel halts the offensive and retreats back. The UN's role in the region is limited but why is it limited? The 2 superpowers, US and Israel (in middle-east) dont give a s***t about UN and hence the UN is impotent as far as solving the crisis is concerned - this is not speculation - who attacked the UN outpost in Lebanon after being warned for 6 hours and after giving the co-ordinates of the UN location? Its easy to blame the UN for not being an active player in conflict resolution but remember why the UN behaves the way it does. Who has violated the most UN resolutions in its history? Is it Iraq, Iran, Cuba.... No! its Israel.

Negotiations are possible if the hot headed mentality is dropped. Do you really think this war was about the 2 soldiers? Why would a country sacrifice 40-50 soldiers to get back 2 soldiers which by the way it still has not achieved. If a solution is to be attained, Israel would need to have direct talk with the regional players Syria, Lebanon, Iran etc and NOT the US. Now please dont say that Iran wants the destruction of Israel and so does Hizballah - talking and listening can heal some of the most deepest wounds and if parties on both sides sit face to face with a true intent to solve this crisis they can achieve even more than ending this conflict. They can achieve peace - the road to peace might be rocky because both sides would need to compromise but that is exactly what negotiations are all about.

Try to understand this conflict and others with your own mind, stop blurting out things fed by the media. The media no longer reports, it speculates and speculation is not what we need in such fragile times.

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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2006, 06:59:21 PM »
what other options are there?  before you say the UN, remember that the UN has been there and has done nothing.  Before you say negotiations, remember that a country that has been attacked generally doesnt want to negotiate with its attackers. 

Hizballah has said it will cease firing rockets if Israel halts the offensive and retreats back. The UN's role in the region is limited but why is it limited? The 2 superpowers, US and Israel (in middle-east) dont give a s***t about UN and hence the UN is impotent as far as solving the crisis is concerned - this is not speculation - who attacked the UN outpost in Lebanon after being warned for 6 hours and after giving the co-ordinates of the UN location? Its easy to blame the UN for not being an active player in conflict resolution but remember why the UN behaves the way it does. Who has violated the most UN resolutions in its history? Is it Iraq, Iran, Cuba.... No! its Israel.

Just because the UN general assembly is dominated by muslim and antiIsraeli countries, doesnt mean that their resolutions are valid against Israel.

Hezbollah will stop firing rockets if Israel retreats?  What kind of message does that send to Hezbollah?  What, so they can rearm and attack another day?  I think not.

As far as the ineptitude of the UN, it seems clear that in teh short run, Israel cannot depend on the UN for their safety.  Nor can it depend on Lebanon.  Maybe, and this is a big maybe considering Kosovo and Rwanda, maybe the UN can be given a bigger mandate and a more streamlined process for keeping the peace on the border.  But for now, Israel cannot wait for the cumbersome machinery of the UN to protect it.

Israel attacked the UN outpost after Hezbollah was launching rockets from that same area.  Again, Hezbollah is using other as shields so that when Israel attacks, they can call them savage murderers... and you are falling for it by placing so much blame on Israel.

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Negotiations are possible if the hot headed mentality is dropped. Do you really think this war was about the 2 soldiers? Why would a country sacrifice 40-50 soldiers to get back 2 soldiers which by the way it still has not achieved. If a solution is to be attained, Israel would need to have direct talk with the regional players Syria, Lebanon, Iran etc and NOT the US. Now please dont say that Iran wants the destruction of Israel and so does Hizballah - talking and listening can heal some of the most deepest wounds and if parties on both sides sit face to face with a true intent to solve this crisis they can achieve even more than ending this conflict. They can achieve peace - the road to peace might be rocky because both sides would need to compromise but that is exactly what negotiations are all about.
Im not saying that Iran and Hezbollah want the destruction of Israel, THEY SAID IT AND CONTINUE TO SAY IT!!!!  Israel has already given some land to the Palestinians, but in return all the Israelis got was rockets from Gaza.  Explain how that fits into the negotiation matrix.

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Try to understand this conflict and others with your own mind, stop blurting out things fed by the media. The media no longer reports, it speculates and speculation is not what we need in such fragile times.

Look at this objectively.  Israel has enemies on all sides.  Its enemies expressly call for the destruction of Israel.  Israel gave Gaza, but in return has been on the receiving end of rockets and kidnappings.  Israel's enemies hide amongst civilians and attack from civilians areas.  Israel's enemies have a deep rooted belief that Israel is evil, that belief is rooted in their religion, thus, to ask them to not destroy Israel is to ask them to renounce their faith.  These guys are savages and imposible to negotiate with.
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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2006, 11:04:47 PM »
hey fuckwad, there were long range missles being launched into Israel from right around that building.  Israel unfortunately missed and hit a building.  But the rockets are being fired from a civilian area.  Israel's job is to take them out, accidents happen.  In Tyre they managed a direct score on the rocket launchers, here they didn't.  Too f-ing bad.

Go kill yourself, terrorist.

This kind of diplomacy will do wonders for your cause, Trollik.  Israel must take responsibility, apologize for this tragic error, and agree (at minimum) to guard passage of humanitarian and evacuation missions through southern Lebanon.  (I heard Olmert taking responsibility this morning; if he can do it, you should be able to.)

a 1mi flatland around any long range hezbollah missle launch site should be expected.  period.  no apologies.

Mabye they should do the same for Israeli Air Force bases....or American ones?

You should be thrown out of the country you little terd.
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Re: Isreal Takes Down the Terrorists
« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2006, 01:44:28 AM »
hey fuckwad, there were long range missles being launched into Israel from right around that building.  Israel unfortunately missed and hit a building.  But the rockets are being fired from a civilian area.  Israel's job is to take them out, accidents happen.  In Tyre they managed a direct score on the rocket launchers, here they didn't.  Too f-ing bad.

Go kill yourself, terrorist.

This kind of diplomacy will do wonders for your cause, Trollik.  Israel must take responsibility, apologize for this tragic error, and agree (at minimum) to guard passage of humanitarian and evacuation missions through southern Lebanon.  (I heard Olmert taking responsibility this morning; if he can do it, you should be able to.)

a 1mi flatland around any long range hezbollah missle launch site should be expected.  period.  no apologies.

Mabye they should do the same for Israeli Air Force bases....or American ones?

You should be thrown out of the country you little terd.

Haha, you conservatives are always so cordial. Great point.

ha ha treasonous language about blowing up American Airbases is funny, and it is cool too; Just ask any college kid! Great Point! You anti-American Leftists are off the charts- this is why you guys can't win elections, because you hate America. This country that has given us every opportunity, a country where we are relatively safe, that has given you the opportunity to go to university and law school. A country that is the first to rush aid to our enemies (Iran) when they have an earthquake. You should really limit your Hate (America) Speech, and not include statements about blowing up American Airbases.
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