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« Reply #5050 on: April 27, 2008, 02:09:38 PM »
This is just all kinds of messed up:

Police: Captive woman had at least 6 children by father

    * Story Highlights
    * Woman tells Austrian police she was held prisoner in cellar for nearly 24 years
    * Police believe the 73-year-old man may have fathered her six children
    * The 42-year-old woman had been missing since 1984, when she was 18
    * One of her children, a 19-year-old woman, is hospitalized in serious condition

(CNN) -- Austrian police believe a 73-year-old man held his daughter captive in his cellar for the past two decades and fathered at least six children with her, according to police and state-run news reports Sunday.

The woman, identified as 42-year-old Elisabeth F., has been missing since 1984 when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference.

The situation came to light earlier this month after her daughter -- a 19-year-old woman, identified as Kristen F. -- was hospitalized after falling unconscious, according to police.

She was admitted to a hospital in Amstetten, outside Vienna, by her grandfather with a note from her biological mother requesting help.

But police said a DNA test later revealed her grandfather, Josef F., was also her father, according to ORF, Austria's state-run news agency.

That sparked a police investigation which revealed that Josef F. may have fathered at least six children with his daughter, forcing her and the six surviving children to live in the cellar of his house, according to ORF's Peter Schmitzberger.

The children are now between the ages of 5 and 19 years old.

Police are awaiting DNA tests to verify their relationship to Josef F., who faces arrest for "severe crimes against family members," according to police. So far, he has not given a statement to police.

"One can't imagine how it could happen, how nobody could realize anything of what was going on in the cellar of this house," Schmitzberger told CNN. "It's quite unimaginable."

Acting on "a confidential tip," Amstetten police apprehended Josef F. and Elisabeth F. on Saturday near the hospital for questioning, according to a police statement. Once police assured the daughter that she would never have contact with her father again, "she was able to tell the whole story," Schmitzberger said.

Josef F. lived upstairs with his wife, Rosemarie F., who police said had no idea about her husband's other family living in the cellar.

Josef F. and Rosemarie F. had adopted three of the children that he had with his daughter, according to police. He told his wife that his missing daughter had dropped the unwanted children off at the house because she could not take care of them, police said.

The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. None had seen the light of day during their entire time in captivity, police said.

After she was detained on Saturday, Elisabeth F. gave police a "psychologically and physically disturbed impression," police said in a statement. She told them her story after she was assured her children would be protected from further harm.

She said her father began sexually abusing her at age 11. On August 8, 1984 -- weeks before she was reported missing -- her father enticed her into the basement where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs, and locked her in a room, she told police. For the next 24 years, she was constantly raped by her father resulting in the six surviving children, she said, according to the police statement.

She told police she gave birth to twins in 1996, but one of the babies died a few days later as a result of neglect, and Josef F. removed the infant's body and burned it.

She told police that only her father supplied her and her children with food and clothing, and that she did not think his wife knew anything about their situation.

When Kerstin fell ill earlier this month, Josef F. apparently told his wife and the hospital that his "missing" daughter had dropped off the sick girl on his doorstep.

In an effort to find out what might be ailing 19-year-old Kerstin, the hospital asked the media to put out a bulletin requesting any information about the girl or her missing mother, attorney general Gerhard Sedlacek told NTV.

Sometime later, Josef F. brought Elisabeth F. out of the cellar, telling his wife that she had returned home with her two children after a 24-year absence, police said.

He took Elisabeth F. to the hospital to talk with doctors about Kerstin's condition, and at that point, authorities became aware of her situation, Sedlacek said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/27/austria.cellar/index.html

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« Reply #5051 on: April 27, 2008, 02:20:37 PM »
This is just all kinds of messed up:

Police: Captive woman had at least 6 children by father

    * Story Highlights
    * Woman tells Austrian police she was held prisoner in cellar for nearly 24 years
    * Police believe the 73-year-old man may have fathered her six children
    * The 42-year-old woman had been missing since 1984, when she was 18
    * One of her children, a 19-year-old woman, is hospitalized in serious condition

(CNN) -- Austrian police believe a 73-year-old man held his daughter captive in his cellar for the past two decades and fathered at least six children with her, according to police and state-run news reports Sunday.

The woman, identified as 42-year-old Elisabeth F., has been missing since 1984 when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference.

The situation came to light earlier this month after her daughter -- a 19-year-old woman, identified as Kristen F. -- was hospitalized after falling unconscious, according to police.

She was admitted to a hospital in Amstetten, outside Vienna, by her grandfather with a note from her biological mother requesting help.

But police said a DNA test later revealed her grandfather, Josef F., was also her father, according to ORF, Austria's state-run news agency.

That sparked a police investigation which revealed that Josef F. may have fathered at least six children with his daughter, forcing her and the six surviving children to live in the cellar of his house, according to ORF's Peter Schmitzberger.

The children are now between the ages of 5 and 19 years old.

Police are awaiting DNA tests to verify their relationship to Josef F., who faces arrest for "severe crimes against family members," according to police. So far, he has not given a statement to police.

"One can't imagine how it could happen, how nobody could realize anything of what was going on in the cellar of this house," Schmitzberger told CNN. "It's quite unimaginable."

Acting on "a confidential tip," Amstetten police apprehended Josef F. and Elisabeth F. on Saturday near the hospital for questioning, according to a police statement. Once police assured the daughter that she would never have contact with her father again, "she was able to tell the whole story," Schmitzberger said.

Josef F. lived upstairs with his wife, Rosemarie F., who police said had no idea about her husband's other family living in the cellar.

Josef F. and Rosemarie F. had adopted three of the children that he had with his daughter, according to police. He told his wife that his missing daughter had dropped the unwanted children off at the house because she could not take care of them, police said.

The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. None had seen the light of day during their entire time in captivity, police said.

After she was detained on Saturday, Elisabeth F. gave police a "psychologically and physically disturbed impression," police said in a statement. She told them her story after she was assured her children would be protected from further harm.

She said her father began sexually abusing her at age 11. On August 8, 1984 -- weeks before she was reported missing -- her father enticed her into the basement where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs, and locked her in a room, she told police. For the next 24 years, she was constantly raped by her father resulting in the six surviving children, she said, according to the police statement.

She told police she gave birth to twins in 1996, but one of the babies died a few days later as a result of neglect, and Josef F. removed the infant's body and burned it.

She told police that only her father supplied her and her children with food and clothing, and that she did not think his wife knew anything about their situation.

When Kerstin fell ill earlier this month, Josef F. apparently told his wife and the hospital that his "missing" daughter had dropped off the sick girl on his doorstep.

In an effort to find out what might be ailing 19-year-old Kerstin, the hospital asked the media to put out a bulletin requesting any information about the girl or her missing mother, attorney general Gerhard Sedlacek told NTV.

Sometime later, Josef F. brought Elisabeth F. out of the cellar, telling his wife that she had returned home with her two children after a 24-year absence, police said.

He took Elisabeth F. to the hospital to talk with doctors about Kerstin's condition, and at that point, authorities became aware of her situation, Sedlacek said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/27/austria.cellar/index.html

Sick..sad..this has got to be some remote place in Austria.

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« Reply #5052 on: April 27, 2008, 02:22:35 PM »
But how could his wife not know they were in the cellar??  Somebody's lying.

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« Reply #5053 on: April 27, 2008, 02:23:40 PM »
This is just all kinds of messed up:

Police: Captive woman had at least 6 children by father

    * Story Highlights
    * Woman tells Austrian police she was held prisoner in cellar for nearly 24 years
    * Police believe the 73-year-old man may have fathered her six children
    * The 42-year-old woman had been missing since 1984, when she was 18
    * One of her children, a 19-year-old woman, is hospitalized in serious condition

(CNN) -- Austrian police believe a 73-year-old man held his daughter captive in his cellar for the past two decades and fathered at least six children with her, according to police and state-run news reports Sunday.

The woman, identified as 42-year-old Elisabeth F., has been missing since 1984 when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference.

The situation came to light earlier this month after her daughter -- a 19-year-old woman, identified as Kristen F. -- was hospitalized after falling unconscious, according to police.

She was admitted to a hospital in Amstetten, outside Vienna, by her grandfather with a note from her biological mother requesting help.

But police said a DNA test later revealed her grandfather, Josef F., was also her father, according to ORF, Austria's state-run news agency.

That sparked a police investigation which revealed that Josef F. may have fathered at least six children with his daughter, forcing her and the six surviving children to live in the cellar of his house, according to ORF's Peter Schmitzberger.

The children are now between the ages of 5 and 19 years old.

Police are awaiting DNA tests to verify their relationship to Josef F., who faces arrest for "severe crimes against family members," according to police. So far, he has not given a statement to police.

"One can't imagine how it could happen, how nobody could realize anything of what was going on in the cellar of this house," Schmitzberger told CNN. "It's quite unimaginable."

Acting on "a confidential tip," Amstetten police apprehended Josef F. and Elisabeth F. on Saturday near the hospital for questioning, according to a police statement. Once police assured the daughter that she would never have contact with her father again, "she was able to tell the whole story," Schmitzberger said.

Josef F. lived upstairs with his wife, Rosemarie F., who police said had no idea about her husband's other family living in the cellar.


Josef F. and Rosemarie F. had adopted three of the children that he had with his daughter, according to police. He told his wife that his missing daughter had dropped the unwanted children off at the house because she could not take care of them, police said.


The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. None had seen the light of day during their entire time in captivity, police said.


After she was detained on Saturday, Elisabeth F. gave police a "psychologically and physically disturbed impression," police said in a statement. She told them her story after she was assured her children would be protected from further harm.

She said her father began sexually abusing her at age 11. On August 8, 1984 -- weeks before she was reported missing -- her father enticed her into the basement where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs, and locked her in a room, she told police. For the next 24 years, she was constantly raped by her father resulting in the six surviving children, she said, according to the police statement.

She told police she gave birth to twins in 1996, but one of the babies died a few days later as a result of neglect, and Josef F. removed the infant's body and burned it.

She told police that only her father supplied her and her children with food and clothing, and that she did not think his wife knew anything about their situation.

When Kerstin fell ill earlier this month, Josef F. apparently told his wife and the hospital that his "missing" daughter had dropped off the sick girl on his doorstep.

In an effort to find out what might be ailing 19-year-old Kerstin, the hospital asked the media to put out a bulletin requesting any information about the girl or her missing mother, attorney general Gerhard Sedlacek told NTV.

Sometime later, Josef F. brought Elisabeth F. out of the cellar, telling his wife that she had returned home with her two children after a 24-year absence, police said.

He took Elisabeth F. to the hospital to talk with doctors about Kerstin's condition, and at that point, authorities became aware of her situation, Sedlacek said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/27/austria.cellar/index.html

Now...through all of this, the wife didn't think that ANY of this *&^% was suspicious?  WTF.  She didn't hear babies crying or wonder why her husband would spend so much time in the cellar?  Also, how come she never ventured down there?  And why did she keep believing that this "missing" daughter kept dropping off her kids there?

This *&^% is so suspect...I don't trust anyone.
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« Reply #5054 on: April 27, 2008, 02:31:01 PM »
exactly!

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« Reply #5055 on: April 27, 2008, 02:37:42 PM »
okay I went to the bbc they have pictures of the house. If these pics are to believed then I dont know how neighbors didnt know anything was going on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7370016.stm

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« Reply #5056 on: April 27, 2008, 02:44:16 PM »
yeah i was expecting some sort of really secluded place; that looks like it's in the middle of town.

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« Reply #5057 on: April 27, 2008, 02:49:12 PM »
yeah i was expecting some sort of really secluded place; that looks like it's in the middle of town.

Yep.. busy street, close buildings. I am with MCB someone had to have known something. 24 years in this area and no one heard or saw anything. Austria must be a live or let live kind of place.

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« Reply #5058 on: April 27, 2008, 07:49:55 PM »
In case you missed the Wright interview http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

Hm I definitely have a more favorable opinion of him after watching this.

Agreed but I still think he needs to STFU and let the "controversy" die. 

Well, if the media portrayed you as a racist, anti-american bigot and you were getting death threats, I bet you'd want to clear the air, too.

Not at the expense of a black man that has a good chance at the White House that could actually bring some much needed positive change in this country.  Particularly a person with whom he had such a close relationship with. A man of God really shouldn't be that vain. The people who got the real message behind what he said got it and the people that took what he said out of context will stay ignorant regardless of what he says now. He needs to STFU for now not forever. Give Obama a chance to breathe before Clinton's people create yet another manufactured distraction disguised as a "controversy".

This just gives the media and HRC license to bring it up all over again and show that clip ad nauseum. 
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« Reply #5059 on: April 27, 2008, 09:14:54 PM »
Florida..Florida..Florida..I am going to need you to do better.

Florida lawmakers consider bill banning ornamental testicles


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. They're proudly displayed by any self-respecting bull, but dangling big metal ones on the back end of a truck could be banned in Florida.

Metal replicas of bull testicles have become trendy bumper ornaments in some parts of the Sunshine State, but state Sen. Carey Baker is campaigning to ban the orbs.

Baker acknowledged that Florida lawmakers have more pressing issues, including huge revenue shortfalls, but said the state needs to draw a line on what's obscene before more objectionable adornments appear.

State Sen. Steve Geller argued against Baker's bill.

"I find it shocking that we should be telling people that have the metallic bull testicles ... you're now going to have points on your license for this," said Geller.

Geller was in the minority. Baker's bill to fine drivers $60 for displaying the ornaments passed the Senate. It's now up to the House, but there's only a slim chance that members of that chamber would pass the measure before the session ends this coming Friday.

If it were to be passed, Gov. Charlie Crist has not indicated whether he would sign it, although he has not been too critical of this and other not-so-pressing issues.

"It's good to have some things that maybe aren't quite as serious. Got to have a little levity," the governor said.

A similar bill in Virginia, aimed at rubber trailer hitch replicas of human genitalia, died in committee this year