Law School Discussion

Nine Years of Discussion
;

Poll

Are we winning the war in Iraq?

Yes
 0 (0%)
No
 1 (16.7%)
There are no victors in war, only survivors
 2 (33.3%)
We won a long time ago
 3 (50%)
Don't know
 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 5

Author Topic: The War in Iraq  (Read 1477 times)

jgruber

  • Guest
The War in Iraq
« on: August 17, 2004, 11:46:35 PM »
Iraq peace mission falls through
US troops in Najaf
Ceasefire talks over Najaf collapsed at the weekend
A delegation of leading Iraqis that went to Najaf has failed to end a stand-off between Shia militiamen and US-led forces in the holy city.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3571798.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/18/international/middleeast/18najaf.html

jrhc1210

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 367
  • 3.85/Oct
    • AOL Instant Messenger - jrhc1210
    • View Profile
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2004, 11:50:48 PM »
This will only end with Sadr's death, or the fall of the Allawi government. Neither is really a positive outcome.  :-\

jgruber

  • Guest
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2004, 12:06:16 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129165,00.html

Al-Sadr Refuses to Meet With Iraqi Negotiators
Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Aides: Al-Sadr Wounded in Clashes
BAGHDAD, Iraq Iraqi delegates delivered a peace proposal to aides of Muqtada al-Sadr (search) in Najaf on Tuesday, but the militant cleric refused to meet with them as explosions, gunfire and a U.S. air strike on the sprawling cemetery echoed across the holy city.

jgruber

  • Guest
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2004, 12:29:29 AM »
Whistleblower Threatened
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: August 18, 2004

HAGERSTOWN, Md., Aug. 17 (AP) - The Army reservist who tipped off investigators to abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison by his fellow soldiers is in protective military custody because of death threats, family members said on Tuesday.

The reservist, Specialist Joseph M. Darby, 24, received the threats after his role in the scandal was publicly revealed in May, his sister-in-law, Maxine Carroll, said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/18/national/18reservist.html

The ZAPINATOR

  • LSD Obsessed
  • *****
  • Posts: 6380
    • MSN Messenger - N/A
    • AOL Instant Messenger - N/A
    • Yahoo Instant Messenger - N/A
    • View Profile
    • N/A
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2004, 10:17:58 AM »
edit

jrhc1210

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 367
  • 3.85/Oct
    • AOL Instant Messenger - jrhc1210
    • View Profile
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2004, 10:22:57 AM »
Sadr will give his life to get his way and put the Shiites in power.  There's no other outcome, because he won't give in but we can't just roll over and let him play king.  He's a demagogue, but what can you do about it?  As long as people follow him, he has power.

And his death will probably only make things worse, because he'll be martyred.  What we need is some way to snag him without killing him.  That's the only thing that could potentially resolve this mess.  Killing him would be disastrous, as would be just rolling over and letting him have his way.

ZAP

Except his followers have strapped bombs to themselves and plan on blowing up the Ali Mosque if things look bad. Making Sadr a martyr AND making the US responsible for the dstruction of a very holy Shia site.

The ZAPINATOR

  • LSD Obsessed
  • *****
  • Posts: 6380
    • MSN Messenger - N/A
    • AOL Instant Messenger - N/A
    • Yahoo Instant Messenger - N/A
    • View Profile
    • N/A
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2004, 10:33:46 AM »
edit

jgruber

  • Guest
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2004, 10:35:16 AM »
And they are using children as shields, isn't that what they are saying?

GentleTim

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 888
  • 3.45/175
    • View Profile
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2004, 10:41:28 AM »
This will only end with Sadr's death, or the fall of the Allawi government. Neither is really a positive outcome.  :-\

I think that Sadr's death would probably be a positive outcome.  Particularly if the Iraqi Police did it.

jgruber

  • Guest
Re: The War in Iraq
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2004, 10:42:14 AM »
Positive for those who want another martyr.