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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #1490 on: January 15, 2008, 10:26:54 PM »
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« Reply #1491 on: January 22, 2008, 10:28:25 AM »
I have a question. 

Contemplating jobs with smaller firms.  They claim to have fewer billables than large firms, but I just want to confirm.  How many hours do you guys bill per month/year?  Thanks. 
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« Reply #1492 on: January 22, 2008, 10:31:38 AM »
Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.
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« Reply #1493 on: January 22, 2008, 05:22:26 PM »
Not to sidestep SMU's question, but did you guys see this a couple of months ago (there is an ATL update today);

Lawyer of the Day: Peter 'P'Ta Mon' John

If the Nixon Peabody song were lawyer advertising -- which, of course, it is not -- it would be the best lawyer advertisement ever.

And this, which a helpful reader emailed to us, would be second best:




In case you can't read the fine print at the bottom -- which offers some helpful tips on staying out of trouble with the law, but which should NOT be construed as legal advice -- here's a close up:



Right now you're probably thinking: This CANNOT be for real.

But it is, dear readers, it is. We confirmed the authenticity of this advertisement with Mr. Peter John himself.

You can check out our short interview with him, after the jump.

We called the telephone numbers on the advertisement. The toll-free one didn't work from our area, but the 225 number worked just fine. This conversation ensued:

Hello, may I speak to Peter John please?

This is he.

I'm calling about this, umm, ad of yours.... It reads, "The Thug's Lawyer?"

What agency are you calling from?

No agency, no agency! I don't work for any agency.

What do you want to know?

This ad -- is it for real?

Yes. You need to see this ad in context. Go to my website, www.ptamon.com. You'll see there a wealth of history and background about who I am, which will explain why things are they way they are.

Come again?

Look, I am close to the streets. And the streets have been good to me. Because people on the streets see me as one of them, there's a trust factor [when they seek to retain me as their lawyer]. I come from the Caribbean, where we don't have much opportunity.

The message I'm trying to send [with this ad] is that even if you've done something wrong, you are still entitled to representation. That is what our Constitution provides.

My advertisement has been so abused and misused that it's almost comical. It's better to give background on myself, so people understand that I'm a creative person, trying to reach clients in creative ways.

I'm telling them: "You've been labeled as a thug. But I am your lawyer, and you are innocent until proven guilty."

So how has this advertising been working out for you?

This advertisement has been very successful for us. The laws need to change to allow us to be more like doctors [in advertising], to go at our customers from a more specialized marketing perspective.

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Tell it to the people at Nixon Peabody!

After we got off the phone with Mr. John, we visited his website, www.ptamon.com, entitled "P'Ta Mon Reggae Bad Boy." As you'll see, it doesn't have much to do with the law; it's more about his career as a reggae musician. But it does make clear that Peter "P'Ta Mon" John is, as he claims, "a creative person."

There's only passing mention of Mr. John's legal practice:

    P'ta Mon is a Licensed Pilot, holds a Masters in Business, and has a Juris Doctor Degree. When he is not on tour he is writing songs, doing research. P'taMon states that he is a student of mankind, he enjoys studying people and the way we treat one another. His convictions about brotherly love and broad educational perspecitve help him formulate the profund, yet simple conclusions captured in his songs, such as: I can only love you so many ways...

Tell it to Sen. Larry Craig.

More about Peter John, from the bio section:

    P'ta Mon (pronounced: Peeta Mon) is a native of St. Croix, V.I., one of the U.S. Virgin Islands, near St. Thomas. When he came to the U.S. he first settled in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He served in the U.S. Marine Corps. His hobbies include dancing, fishing, jogging, and flying airplanes. All of his family is from the British West Indies. He has two brothers. He is single because he is very busy and focused on his music career. He believes that you can't force love.

Amen, brother! We're sure that many Biglaw associates can relate. When you're billing 2500 hours a year, of course you're going to be single (unless you marry a colleague).

    P'ta Mon favorite food is fish. He claims to be a very good cook and likes to eat. He hopes one day to settle down with the right person. His ideal type of woman is physically fit...

P'Ta Mon, have you met Aquagirl?

    When asked to describe himself the only thing he is willing to say is "spiritual and fun loving". When describing his music P'ta man says the goal of his music is to make every body feel nice. "I make happy music."

Happy music? Nixon Peabody should contact Mr. John and commission him to produce their 2008 anthem. How would you like to hear Everyone's A Winner set to a reggae beat?

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/08/lawyer_of_the_day_peter_pta_mo_1.php
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Today's updated ad photo:



http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/01/guess_hes_no_longer_the_thugs_1.php

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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #1494 on: January 22, 2008, 06:38:40 PM »
Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.


According to the trusty little computer program here, I billed 175.2 last month, and 169.4 the month before that, which to me felt like nothing major.  I came in most days at 9:30 or 10, and left most days around 7.  And both months were mon-fri with no weekends worked.
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« Reply #1495 on: January 23, 2008, 09:02:05 AM »
So being expected to bill about 125-150 hours a month is a meaningful reduction.

Lol.  I love how you can keep your time on the computer.  Doing it by hand can be a pain.

Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.


According to the trusty little computer program here, I billed 175.2 last month, and 169.4 the month before that, which to me felt like nothing major.  I came in most days at 9:30 or 10, and left most days around 7.  And both months were mon-fri with no weekends worked.
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« Reply #1496 on: January 23, 2008, 09:26:06 AM »
Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.


According to the trusty little computer program here, I billed 175.2 last month, and 169.4 the month before that, which to me felt like nothing major.  I came in most days at 9:30 or 10, and left most days around 7.  And both months were mon-fri with no weekends worked.

So you bill just about the whole time you spend at work (assuming a 1 hr lunch break)?  I didn't think this was even possible....

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« Reply #1497 on: January 23, 2008, 09:43:48 AM »
I'll let Sands answer this too, but billing depends on a couple of things.

Does the firm round up by 1/10 or 1/4?  If they round by 1/4, then its easy to bill as much time as you work. . . its harder if you round up by the tenth. 

Also, if you work on a lot of long projects --writing memos, briefs, research--you can go on for hours at a time on the clock. 

Its possible. And, if you are a generally efficient person, it is very possible!


Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.


According to the trusty little computer program here, I billed 175.2 last month, and 169.4 the month before that, which to me felt like nothing major.  I came in most days at 9:30 or 10, and left most days around 7.  And both months were mon-fri with no weekends worked.

So you bill just about the whole time you spend at work (assuming a 1 hr lunch break)?  I didn't think this was even possible....
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« Reply #1498 on: January 23, 2008, 11:11:06 AM »
I'll let Sands answer this too, but billing depends on a couple of things.

Does the firm round up by 1/10 or 1/4?  If they round by 1/4, then its easy to bill as much time as you work. . . its harder if you round up by the tenth. 

Also, if you work on a lot of long projects --writing memos, briefs, research--you can go on for hours at a time on the clock. 

Its possible. And, if you are a generally efficient person, it is very possible!


Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.


According to the trusty little computer program here, I billed 175.2 last month, and 169.4 the month before that, which to me felt like nothing major.  I came in most days at 9:30 or 10, and left most days around 7.  And both months were mon-fri with no weekends worked.

So you bill just about the whole time you spend at work (assuming a 1 hr lunch break)?  I didn't think this was even possible....

Those are actually low numbers, in my opinion.  As a summer associate, I remember easily billing 180 hours in one month with no weekends worked.  Well maybe I should not use the term "easily" since that is relative, but at that firm I was rollin in a little earlier, around 8:30 or 9, and I was leaving around the same time I leave now at my current job, around 7-ish.


As SMU pointed out, the key to getting good billing is to work on looooooooooong projects.  Like research & writing projects which can take days, and my personal fav, the doc review which can take weeks. You can bill the hell out of a doc review and there's usually no rush involved with it.  I haven't been placed on an official "Doc Review" at my current job yet, but I've done a few smaller doc reviews here or there since I've been here. Those are days where pretty much the whole day is billable (minus breaks of course) and its up to you whenever you want to stop. You wanna bill 8 hours and go home, fine.  You wanna keep going and make it 10 hours, that will work too.

Its harder to bill solid hours when you get on these little research assignments that only take a day or a few hours. On the days where I have to work on 4 or more different matters at a time, my billables tend to be lower for those days because you have to get going on one project, stop, switch gears, start another one, work on it for a while, stop, switch gears, start another one....

On the days where I'm fortunate to only have 1 or 2 matters on my plate, billable-city son!  I'm able to tag 4 or 5 hours at a time to each matter and still go home at a decent hour.


Plus, unless there's a function going on, I don't take hour long lunch breaks.  I take about 5 or 10 minutes to go down stairs, grab something quick and eat it at my desk while I work.  You def don't have to do it like that, but that's just something I do.
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« Reply #1499 on: January 23, 2008, 11:34:14 AM »
Quick question:

How many hours are you guys billing per month/year? 

Thanks.


According to the trusty little computer program here, I billed 175.2 last month, and 169.4 the month before that, which to me felt like nothing major.  I came in most days at 9:30 or 10, and left most days around 7.  And both months were mon-fri with no weekends worked.

has it been your experience that most firms take this flex time approach with when you come on? Did you let your folks know off top i will get to work between 930 and 10? Did you start coming to work at 759 and some how it morphed into 930