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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2007, 02:53:00 PM »


SERIOUSLY.

this is an often neglected fact. if you don't love the law, BIGLAW is NOT worth it. you will be working a lot. too much. more than a human being should. if you're the happy hour after work, football game on saturday and sunday kind of guy, you should expect to give those things up, at least for the first few years.

academia it is.

Also - what is Lodnon? Spelling mistake or attempt at being cute?

nope, just me being a 'tard. edited. :D
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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2007, 03:14:56 PM »
Hate to hijack this thread, but does anyone know anything about public interest fellowships that one can get for unpaid summer clerkships?  Just curious.....
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« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2007, 03:15:45 PM »

B - From one hustler to another, I feel what you're saying. From the outside looking in BigLaw seems to be the ultimate come up for somebody applying to law school, and $145k in New York, at first glance, seems like the lottery if you've never made that kind of money before.  However, its been said 1000 times but its worth repeating, there are far easier ways to make 6 figs if making 6 figs is your goal.  In other words, if you do go the BigLaw route strictly for the money then you are probably going to hate life and be counting down the days until you leave.  Many of the blue chip associates make about 25 to 35 bucks an hour when you break it down by the amount of time they put into it. Most plumbers make twice that and still go home at 3pm.  Not to discourage you, but just make sure you know what you're getting into, which it sounds like you do.

I think law firms have such a high turnover rate because it seems like both law students and pre-laws alike suffer from this dillusion that working at a law firm is going to be like working at Mickey D's or whatever limited work experience they have had thus far - which is then further exacerbated, as OSA pointed out, by the wining and dining that the law firms put out for the summer associates so that you leave thinking that sh!t is sweet. Then you come back as a full time associate and POW they smack the big d!ck on you.  That's when many cats start to hate their life and start looking for a new line of work with this law degree that they just dropped $100k on in loans.

Personally, I may be one of the few strange legal nerds who actually LIKES litigation and the law in general, so I'm sort of looking forward to this Biglaw experience, keeping in mind that this is only a stepping stone to help me get my own stuff going in the not-so-distant future.  As long as you know wsup from the gate you should be ok.


I usually agree with your comments, but I find the bolded argument to be specious. In order for a plumber, or anyone else at a $30/hr wage, to make $145k/yr (the starting salary in most of biglaw), they would have to work a grip of overtime. Even if they wanted to, they probably couldn't because their employers wouldn't let them.

I agree that if you work in biglaw for the money alone, you're not gonna be happy. Still, you could work in it for a few years to get good experience and move to a more "family-oriented" smaller firm, or like you say, do your own thing.
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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2007, 03:17:39 PM »


SERIOUSLY.

this is an often neglected fact. if you don't love the law, BIGLAW is NOT worth it. you will be working a lot. too much. more than a human being should. if you're the happy hour after work, football game on saturday and sunday kind of guy, you should expect to give those things up, at least for the first few years.

academia it is.


... or find a firm that doesn't think it owns your nights and weekends for 145K (or 300K)... they exist.

Who? Where?
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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2007, 03:24:59 PM »
Hate to hijack this thread, but does anyone know anything about public interest fellowships that one can get for unpaid summer clerkships?  Just curious.....

your school might have a grant. also, some firms have a program in which they hire a summer associate that only does public interest or does half public interest and is still eligible for a full-time offer with the firm. i think holland and knight does this. i always confuse the ones that let their summers do it and the ones that have a first-year attorney do public interest full time.
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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2007, 03:27:47 PM »
Hate to hijack this thread, but does anyone know anything about public interest fellowships that one can get for unpaid summer clerkships?  Just curious.....

check out Equal Justice Works

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« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2007, 03:29:55 PM »
Hate to hijack this thread, but does anyone know anything about public interest fellowships that one can get for unpaid summer clerkships?  Just curious.....

check out Equal Justice Works

i am pretty sure those and the skadden fellowship are post-graduate.
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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2007, 03:36:45 PM »
Yea, EJW is for 3L's and post-graduate people.
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« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2007, 03:39:43 PM »
Yea, EJW is for 3L's and post-graduate people.

have you talked to your school's career services?
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Re: Life As An Associate
« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2007, 03:42:35 PM »
Hate to hijack this thread, but does anyone know anything about public interest fellowships that one can get for unpaid summer clerkships?  Just curious.....

check out Equal Justice Works

i am pretty sure those and the skadden fellowship are post-graduate.

or not:
http://info.equaljusticeworks.org/summercorps/profiles2006.asp

http://www.equaljusticeworks.org/summercorpsindex.php