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lawyerboy

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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2004, 11:29:26 AM »
I'm pretty sure that Roe V. Wade invalidated Texas State Law that made abortion a criminal act.

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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2004, 11:31:30 AM »
I'm pretty sure that Roe V. Wade invalidated Texas State Law that made abortion a criminal act.

in which case, the guy in the original post wasn't someone "opposing an unjust law"

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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2004, 11:33:31 AM »
Correct, it would be more accurate (from his perspective) if he said that he was someone "opposing an unjust (or incorrectly ruled) Supreme Court decision." 

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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2004, 11:34:27 AM »
I believe there are laws on the books that specific allow abortion.

My point is that the law support abortion and this guy opposed it.

This is not an endorsement of his action.

Roe v. Wade didn't enact a law allowing abortions, per se. it's up to congress or the states to enact law.

I've never actually read the case, but I always thought Roe v. Wade allowed people to *get* abortions and doctors to give them without fear of being accused of murder. I dunno. I'm probably wrong.

Roe v. Wade

I think I'm missing your point.

can you find a reference, please?


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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2004, 11:37:57 AM »
I think that most states do not have laws that allow abortion. In many states, a law that allowed abortions would probably not come close to passing in the legislature. BUT, the precedent of Roe V. Wade means that any law AGAINST abortion (in general, not partial-birth or anything like that) would be struck down. In this case, regardless of what you think about abortion, the Supreme Court, not the legislative branch, "legislated" abortion. The same thing might happen with gay marriage. The judicial branch has certainly drawn more and more powers away from the legislature over time.


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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2004, 11:52:02 AM »
unless you can find a reference showing there are laws in the books that allow abortion, I'm going to assume that there are no such laws.

and given that assumption, this guy is not opposed to any such laws, since they are nonexistent... unless you're speaking of "the law" in a vague, all-encompassing manner...

I believe there are laws on the books that specific allow abortion.

My point is that the law support abortion and this guy opposed it.

This is not an endorsement of his action.

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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2004, 12:05:15 PM »
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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2004, 12:16:06 PM »
besides having most of the various above reactions, was i really the only person who appreciated the IP aspect: "Oooh! trademark infringement! ha! brilliant!"
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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2004, 01:30:12 PM »
yes, I'm using 'the law' in a general sense.


ZAP, civil disobedience is legit in my book.  This guy is just dishonest about it.


and as you point out his disobedience puts an undue burden on others.  That detracts greatly from the moral value of his actions.


unless you can find a reference showing there are laws in the books that allow abortion, I'm going to assume that there are no such laws.

and given that assumption, this guy is not opposed to any such laws, since they are nonexistent... unless you're speaking of "the law" in a vague, all-encompassing manner...

I believe there are laws on the books that specific allow abortion.

My point is that the law support abortion and this guy opposed it.

This is not an endorsement of his action.

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Re: Fake Abortion Service Shut Down in Louisiana
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2004, 01:37:40 PM »
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