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Am I stealing?

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2004, 12:05:56 PM »
I leave my wireless router open for all to use....   its my way of giving back.....   if i got a big file transfer or something i just close it down....

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2004, 12:25:13 PM »
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Can you cut down the branches?

Only if it obstructs the free use of or enjoyment of your property.  In some jurisdictions if it offensive to the senses.

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does that mean if someone accidentally throws money from his window to mine, i cant claim it as mine since its on my property?

The difference is that in the case of the tree and the 8021 network it is only by happenstance that the product intrudes into your property.  One can assume that if a neighbor throws money into your yard he means for you to have it.  You cannont assume that if a neighbor plants an apple tree that he intends for you to partake of its fruit.  

but what if he accidentally throws it and doesnt know where it went?  if i find it in my apt, can he sue me for theft?

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2004, 12:45:59 PM »
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but what if he accidentally throws it and doesnt know where it went?  if i find it in my apt, can he sue me for theft?

If you make no reasonable effort to find the true owner then yes in most states it's probably theft.  If you have reason to believe that it belongs to your neighbor and don't return it, it's theft by taking.

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2004, 12:46:49 PM »
Incidently, why the hell did the OP title her thread "Am I stealing?" which implies that she in some ways feels back about doing this.  Yet the whole thread is about how to steal more efficiently?  ???

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2004, 12:51:21 PM »
It's about the ethical question (and legal question) as to whether it is stealing to use an open wireless network of your neighbors from within your own home. Might be a little more heavy than the other things on this board, but thats what this thread has morfed into.

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2004, 04:41:33 PM »
I've never understood the reasoning behind that fruit tree bit. If I had a neighbor with a fruit tree and the fruit drops all over my yard, is he liable for littering, illegal dumping of trash? If I pick up an apple that is on my property and eat it, it's theft? but he bears no liability in cleaning the mess?

What if I mearly clean up my yard and throw the waste away, is that stealing, should I pick up the fruit, box it up, and ship it over to him?

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2004, 04:48:08 PM »
derecho_girl, you are breaking the derecho.

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buster

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2004, 04:56:38 PM »
How 'bout if you bake your neighbor a pie with the apples? Have you destroyed your neighbor's property? Committed theft?

I've never understood the reasoning behind that fruit tree bit. If I had a neighbor with a fruit tree and the fruit drops all over my yard, is he liable for littering, illegal dumping of trash? If I pick up an apple that is on my property and eat it, it's theft? but he bears no liability in cleaning the mess?

What if I mearly clean up my yard and throw the waste away, is that stealing, should I pick up the fruit, box it up, and ship it over to him?

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2004, 05:02:44 PM »

that's fine and well, but people who don't bother securing their network are just asking for it.


This kinda sounds like a milder form of the "slutty girls who walk alone at night are just asking to get raped" philosophy.  Just because people are stupid, that doesn't mean you can take advantage of them.  I'm sure you don't secure all of your belongings all of the time.

Taking advantage of another's wireless connection may be one of the least of all evils, but it's still stealing.

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2004, 05:04:56 PM »
How 'bout if you bake your neighbor a pie with the apples? Have you destroyed your neighbor's property? Committed theft?


Yes.  Especially if the neighbor is diabetic.  ;)