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Am I stealing?

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2004, 09:03:54 AM »
Maybe the neighbor left it open because he wants others to use it?
But seriously if this guy didn't want you to use it he could just enable WEP...its simple.
Or he could just hide the SSID

but i do know of a friend who set up a wireless router for his whole building.  they all share the cable and split the bill each month....thats not a bad plan, considering they get a 3MB pipe.  and each apartment pays like $10/month.

jgruber

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2004, 09:04:38 AM »
No, I didn't mean installing a recieiver since it has legal and legiimate use for you.

I could open streaming video of large size.  That could slow down the network.  Maybe only by a little, but then we are talking about degrees.  But even if you slow down the owner a little you are stealing.

and if the neighbor intentially left the network open, that is giving permission to use their property and thus not stealing.

I have XP Pro and it requires me to take action to connect.

Not the case for me, unless by "action" you mean installing a wireless receiver. (Which, by the way, is built-in to my laptop, so in that case it took no action other than me turning on my laptop.)

If you use their wireless network, you might easily interfere with their use and enjoyment. 

How might one do so easily?

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2004, 09:06:55 AM »
Maybe the neighbor left it open because he wants others to use it?
But seriously if this guy didn't want you to use it he could just enable WEP...its simple.
Or he could just hide the SSID

but i do know of a friend who set up a wireless router for his whole building.  they all share the cable and split the bill each month....thats not a bad plan, considering they get a 3MB pipe.  and each apartment pays like $10/month.

that's actually a really good idea...... if you have a 3mb pipe.

maybe i can get just my immediate neighbors to split the cost with me

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2004, 09:08:09 AM »
Maybe the neighbor left it open because he wants others to use it?
But seriously if this guy didn't want you to use it he could just enable WEP...its simple.
Or he could just hide the SSID

but i do know of a friend who set up a wireless router for his whole building.  they all share the cable and split the bill each month....thats not a bad plan, considering they get a 3MB pipe.  and each apartment pays like $10/month.

that's actually a really good idea...... if you have a 3mb pipe.

maybe i can get just my immediate neighbors to split the cost with me

time warner and comcast in my area are providing cable modem at 3Mb.  its much better than dsl in ny.

Ginatio

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2004, 09:09:06 AM »
I'm at work, and I just turned on my WiFi antenna, and bam. it connected to the corporate WLAN for one of our neighboring firms.

i dont know what kind of XP you have installed, but mine and buster's seem to log onto available network automatically.

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2004, 09:12:12 AM »
I'm at work, and I just turned on my WiFi antenna, and bam. it connected to the corporate WLAN for one of our neighboring firms.

i dont know what kind of XP you have installed, but mine and buster's seem to log onto available network automatically.

sniffers will do this.  certain wireless programs will allow you to 'sniff' out the strongest connection and then connect.  if wep is enabled, it will ask you for the passphrase or the key.  if not, then you can start surfing porn immediately. 

but i find it really hard to believe that a corporate wlan is unprotected.  heads should roll for that.

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2004, 09:21:06 AM »

How might one do so easily?

Download shitloads of monkey porn.


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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2004, 09:28:48 AM »
Well, it is windows, so who knows why things happen?

I'm at work, and I just turned on my WiFi antenna, and bam. it connected to the corporate WLAN for one of our neighboring firms.

i dont know what kind of XP you have installed, but mine and buster's seem to log onto available network automatically.

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Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2004, 10:46:44 AM »
I would not consider it stealing. If you are in your residence and picking up signals that are open (meaning you don't have to "hack" it or "clone" to receive the service), it seems fine to me. If your neighbor has a light bulb in his house that is really bright and he doesn't bother closing the curtains, are you stealing electricity if you are in your house using the "extra light"? I don't think so.

Look at Linksys- they have a wireless repeater that should do the trick. It's around $100.

Peace.

jgruber

Re: Am I stealing?
« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2004, 10:49:25 AM »
Using the light radiated from neighbor's house does not interfere with the neighbor's use of the light.  It's not the same thing.


I would not consider it stealing. If you are in your residence and picking up signals that are open (meaning you don't have to "hack" it or "clone" to receive the service), it seems fine to me. If your neighbor has a light bulb in his house that is really bright and he doesn't bother closing the curtains, are you stealing electricity if you are in your house using the "extra light"? I don't think so.

Look at Linksys- they have a wireless repeater that should do the trick. It's around $100.

Peace.