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Re: Ask a Homosexual
« Reply #280 on: May 24, 2006, 11:11:10 AM »
Oh, here's another one: was Mr. Rogers gay?

No, Mr. Rogers was a pedophile. BONKERS! HOW DARE YOU!

Also, what does the gay community (or various groups within it) think of Queer Eye? Love? Hate? Indifferent? Do you think perpetuating positive stereotypes is a step forward in pursuing widespread civil rights, or just perpetuating another form of prejudice?

Personally, for me it is a mixture of enjoying the show just like everyone else does (at least, before the concept got incredibly tired and old), and feeling a little uncomfortable that the role of gay people was to come in and fix straight peoples' lives in some way.

It's hard to explain, but it's kind of like if there were a show called, "I GOT RHYTHM!" where a group of black people would descend on a white person and teach him how to dance, how to dress, how to drink forties, etc...

THAT would be really funny! But it would have to include teaching the white guy how to play basketball.

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« Reply #281 on: May 24, 2006, 11:19:21 AM »
Also, what does the gay community (or various groups within it) think of Queer Eye? Love? Hate? Indifferent? Do you think perpetuating positive stereotypes is a step forward in pursuing widespread civil rights, or just perpetuating another form of prejudice?

i can't really speak for others since i haven't really sought opinions, but i've seen queer eye a few times, and i'm mostly indifferent. 

as for using positive stereotypes for advancement of civil rights, it's somewhat tempting for pragmatic gains, but i think overall, it can be very detrimental.  despite the fact that they often have some basis in truth, i think they create the perception of monolithic identity and establish false demarcations of inclusion and exclusion, marginalizing subgroups and holding individuals to a rigidified concept of identity that is antithetical to the general idea of "embracing diversity". 

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« Reply #282 on: May 24, 2006, 11:31:06 AM »
as for using positive stereotypes for advancement of civil rights, it's somewhat tempting for pragmatic gains, but i think overall, it can be very detrimental.  despite the fact that they often have some basis in truth, i think they create the perception of monolithic identity and establish false demarcations of inclusion and exclusion, marginalizing subgroups and holding individuals to a rigidified concept of identity that is antithetical to the general idea of "embracing diversity". 

Agreed.  Though I don't think that means we should tolerate the most obvious negative stereotyping, either. 

I should add that I'm pretty indifferent to Queer Eye as well.  It seemed really ingenious and funny the first few episodes (remember that cute guy, John B., in Jersey City with the obnoxious Armenian girlfriend?) and then it got very boring fast, especially once they turned to weddings.  I liked it more when it seemed to be making fun of the straight people's lack of awareness that anyone might find their lifestyles, well, unstylish, or strange; I liked it less as it seemed to turn into a sincere effort to promote functional straight relationships.  I realize this probably sounds a bit militant or something.  (If more of you had sent me those hand pics, I might be less grouchy.)

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« Reply #283 on: May 24, 2006, 11:36:03 AM »
Though I don't think that means we should tolerate the most obvious negative stereotyping, either. 

oh yeah, it cuts both ways (negative and positive).  although, if it's in jest, i love a good stereotype.   :)  can't always take yourself so seriously...

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« Reply #284 on: May 24, 2006, 11:41:51 AM »
Though I don't think that means we should tolerate the most obvious negative stereotyping, either. 

oh yeah, it cuts both ways (negative and positive).  although, if it's in jest, i love a good stereotype.   :)  can't always take yourself so seriously...

Absolutely.  I love gay jokes, especially.  Just in the right context.

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« Reply #285 on: May 24, 2006, 11:48:44 AM »
How do you feel about gay men who claim to be "cured"?

 :D :D :D

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Do you think it is possible to be "cured" of homosexuality?

no.  the better question is, can we cure heterosexuals? 

i actually saw a hilarious mock of one of the Exodus ads recently.  the original apparently said "Gay?  Unhappy?  www.exodus.com"  (something like that).  the counter was "Straight?  Unhappy?  www.gay.com". 

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« Reply #286 on: May 24, 2006, 11:51:25 AM »
Why has it become trendy for teenage girls to be bisexual?
I actually read this, and I have observed it as well.

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« Reply #287 on: May 24, 2006, 11:56:35 AM »
How do you feel about gay men who claim to be "cured"? Do you think it is possible to be "cured" of homosexuality? (I know a related question has been asked in this thread but it's not quite the same).

Because I believe both that sexuality is at base determined by environment and situation and that we are mostly one way or the other because we understand the world to be organized this way, I see a small chance that some people genuinely experience radical shifts in their sexual orientations during their adult lives.  I do not think that this is common at all, and I imagine it is even less common among people whose homosexual feelings are so pronounced that they are willing and able to admit them despite devotion to religions that proscribe it.  I can imagine a guy who has been straight all his life engaging in homosexual activity in prison and growing to enjoy it much more than I can imagine someone who has always thought homosexuality was wrong but nonetheless couldn't help himself from doing it getting talked out of it by a group of sleazy ex-gays.  I did see a great porn once about an ex-gay retreat.

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« Reply #288 on: May 24, 2006, 11:59:24 AM »
How old were you when you first "knew" you were gay?

tough to say... absent societal norms and denial to confuse, somewhere around 8-10. 

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Do you think that gay people tend to be aware of their sexuality at an earlier age because they are sexual at an early age? (for instance, it never occurred to me that I was "straight" until I was in my teens yet I have gay friends who remember being attracted to other boys at age 6).

OR do you think that it's part of "straight privilege" to not have to be aware of one's sexuality? (kinda like how whites aren't aware of their white privilege while blacks tend to be racially aware and know the consequences of blackness from an early age).

i don't think it's necessarily understanding your sexuality earlier, it's moreso recognizing a difference.  it's obviously hard to understand sexuality when you're still prepubescent, but it's not difficult to get the distinct impression that you aren't quite the same.  the straight privilege is an interesting concept to add into the mix, and i think there might be something to that.  believing you are different than others triggers attempts to fully understand what that difference is.

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« Reply #289 on: May 24, 2006, 12:03:51 PM »
I've known I liked boys since I was about 6, maybe even 5. I didn't know about sex then, obviously,but I definitely got the idea that boys are cute and I wanted to be around them.