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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2006, 11:58:57 PM »
1. I like how you throw in the fact that the "virtual monopoly" was held by Jewish doctors, as if it was some sort of character flaw. Religion has nothing to do with what we're dealing with, which is race. You could've spoken of the white monopoly, but the fact you threw in that they were Jewish I think reveals a little bit about you.

Oh really, and what is it exactly that it reveals, O Deconstructor?

1. The doctors were jewish and it was well known in the area that being jewish was very helpful in gaining the 'proper' connections. The monopoly was not simply "white" and religion was quite relevant. The area is predominantly Ashkenazi jewish, meaning white non-jews found themselves fighting an uphill battle just like everyone else. Inasmuch as you were not there when my father built his business, it isn't for you to tell me what factors were relevant to the story of his success. I'm the one telling this story, thank you very much, and I admire my father's ability to break through as a non-jewish, non-white.

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2. "As racist as they are." You said you didn't speak in generalizations. But now every white person that goes to your father is racist? Pretty hard to believe.

2. Like another poster, you seem to have allowed your 'disbelief' to cloud your reading. I did not say that all of my father's white patients are racist. I simply called out the racist ones to illustrate my point. Don't stretch my words and then serve them back to me as if I won't catch the distortion. If you really have an issue, then dealing solely with what I said should give you ample room to explain yourself.

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And that in the balance of things, even though they "hate" he's black, it's still worth it to them because they are attention-whores. Unbelievable.

What's unbelievable, Mr. Deconstructor, is your inability to read thoroughly and catch the point without being bogged down in word choice. The quality of medical attention is at an all-time low to hear some people tell it and many doctors are simply too overworked or uninterested to spend a lot of time on patients. This isn't anything new I'm presenting, it's a well-discussed problem with medicine today. My father takes a lot more time than his colleagues, makes house calls when that's virtually unheard among doctors in our area, and goes the extra mile to interact with his patients instead of giving them the chat-diagnose-goodbye routine. That matters, believe it or not, and as I pointed out, I believe it is the secret of his success. The point of my post was not the word 'attention-whore' and for you zero in on this as if I presented it as a sufficient explanation is dishonest. Period.

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Somehow I doubt that they, if they were truly racist, would want to see a black doctor, no matter how good he is.

And I say that even racists value especially high quality care when it's available. But see, that's just my opinion just as what you wrote above is just your opinion. So exactly what do you want me to do? I don't care to convince you if you "somehow doubt" my point. It wasn't written for your benefit, Deconstructor.

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You call them all racists and back it up with nothing

So let me guess, this is my cue to now lay out evidence of racism over the years at your exalted feet so my point may be believed? Well, I don't take cues very well. I called them racists and they're racists cuz I said so. The End. If that evidence isn't good enough for you then don't believe me. Deconstruct that.

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You talk of the Jewish hegemony, the white racist patients, their hatred of blacks, and their unwillingness to see black doctors. And then have the nerve to be aghast that anyone would dare question you. Yikes.

Aghast? Puh-leeze. More like a-bored as hell. Everything you wrote can be summed up as "you pissed me off by mentioning jews then irritated me by putting your father's white patients out there and I don't like anything you said"...to which I would have said "Ha!" Wouldn't that have been much quicker?

You talk of deconstructing, disbelieving, and your unwillingness to believe my anecdote. And then have the nerve to offer one last exaggeration after the distortions you've already weaved through your post. Yikes.

Sorry to say, but this is a shabby attempt at "deconstructing." You should have let someone better qualified do the job. I'm sure you weren't the only one irritated by what I wrote.

Disclaimer: This post is directed at Dave the Poster not Dave the Moderator so kindly don't misuse your moderator status to viciously police my posts if my post pisses you off.

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2006, 11:59:30 PM »
If you are such a pretentious female dog that you not only spout off like a snooty, racist, a-hole, but also fail to realize this simple fact when told, then clearly you are a waste of time.  Enjoy your bitter, worthless life.

My! Aren't you a foul mouthed little c*nt? Oh well, the shame isn't on you, it's on that undoubtedly worthless whore-monkey of a slut mother of yours who produced something as uncultured as you and didn't have the decency to beat it to death. If we were face to face, I'd be inclined to bless your scandalous forehead with my spit. As it is, I'll have to settle for telling you the truth about yourself.

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2006, 12:19:22 AM »
To end this already:

1. I wasn't playing a "jewish card" (wtf is that?). If the jews in my area hadn't been up to shenanigans with their blatant discrimination against non-jewish doctors, I wouldn't have mentioned them. However, since they were, they were relevant to my discussion and I was not out of place to mention them. Was I supposed to give them some sort of pass for fear of being considered anti-semitic? Please. Sorry if seeing jews mentioned in a negative light makes you unhappy but the truth is the truth regardless of whether or not it upsets you. Your issue isn't with me.

2. The purpose of my post was not to trumpet my father's success but rather to use him as an example of my point. So get over him already. The point was that racist or not, people gravitate towards the best for the kinds of sensitive services that professionals offer. I used him to illustrate this because my personal experience with him was the source of my opinion. Period. Now put away your snide comments about his "rags to riches" story and how I'm "highlighting" his success. Catch the main point staring you in the eyeballs already.

3. Sense of entitlement and superiority? Whatever. You put yourself out there, Dave. If you expected to be treated with kid gloves after you had the arrogance to name yourself deconstructor of my post...well, apply this lesson to future dealings with me, hmmm?

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2006, 12:31:55 AM »
"I wasn't aware that this consensus had been reached."---- monili

How could you possibly believe that this consensus has not already been reached? It isn't a coincidence that URM's get into top schools with below average scores. It's not like every URM has an outstanding list of extracurricular activities that compensates for their low scores. It's just a matter of fact, URM's get at least ten points added to their lsat score just for being a minority. Look at the data on lawschoolnumbers.com, that website makes it conclusive that the consensus has in fact been reached and their is no arguing this. Minorities have a much easier time getting accepted to professional schools. Fact. End of discussion.

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2006, 12:36:38 AM »
Yes. Life is amazingly easy and wonderful for URMs. A
And being an ORM, especially a wealthy ORM, must be a horrible cross to bear.  :'(
I really feel for people like Paris Hilton. She has it so much worse than those poor Mexican maids she used to do her job on the Simple Life.
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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2006, 12:39:48 AM »
AA would not make me less likely to hire a minority lawyer or doctor. I don't agree with AA, but I do not think it's right to punish those who benefit from it. If I were in their shoes, I would be happy to benefit from it too. Most of us would. Plus, it is not right to assume that all minorities have lower stats than non-minorities. Look on LSN. Some URMs have lower stats than most other applicants who are accepted to a given school, but some do not. If I were hiring for any position, I would judge applicants based on their qualifications, not on their race, AA or no AA.

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2006, 12:46:28 AM »
Between being Paris Hilton and one of those poor Mexican maids, if I was applying to law school, I'd like my odds of being a poor Mexican maid. They will both do poorly on the LSAT but at least the mexican maids will get some points added and then probably get a free ride.

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2006, 12:47:13 AM »
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Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?

Well, alcoholism would make me think twice about hiring any lawyer/doctor, black or otherwise.  However, if they were regularly attending meetings with a sponsor I might give benefit of the doubt.


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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2006, 12:54:59 AM »
Fair enough. I did not mean to sound as if I was accusing you of anti-semitism or anything; I'm the last person to hold them to a special standard. But it sounded bad, that's all, and that was the basis for my comments.

All right. I understand that it might have sounded bad and I didn't mean it to.

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It doesn't matter who started what. The fact that I put myself "out" there is also moot. Neither of those points gives you a free pass to act like you're better than others.

I certainly wasn't thinking I was better than you.

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Re: Would AA make you less likely to hire a black lawyer/doctor?
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2006, 12:55:23 AM »
I better double check my mail, because noone sent me my "Get into Yale free" card. I didn't realize all URMs got those.  I wonder if I could exchange Yale for Stanford? I would definitely like that.
When you have somebody dying because they are poor and black or poor and white or because of whatever they are ... that erases everything that's great about this country.

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