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defeatist

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Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2006, 01:42:57 PM »
Quite frankly, your post and attitude are pathetic, because you confuse the earning of an award in a group with outright endorsement of every policy of the group.

That's a mischaracterization of my post. I'm not confused about the difference between earning an award and endorsing an organization. What I am saying is that those who voluntarily choose to associate themselves with organizations that have explicit policies of active, agressive discrimination should be aware of how it looks to other people.
 
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What's ironic about your post is that you're engaging in the same level of bigotry and exclusion that the national organization is. You don't like their policy, therefore you blanket cover anyone ever associated with it, especially their highest award, as endorsing or supporting their policy.

No, I've never kicked anyone out of any organization for being a Boy Scout. I've never asserted that Boy Scouts are "morally unclean" or unfit to be role models. I've never kicked anyone out of any organization for disagreeing with my position on Boy Scouting.


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So go screw yourself.

Oh, let's not get into the Boy Scout policy on masturbation.

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Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2006, 02:14:00 PM »
I'm sorry, lsatismylifenow, if you took offense to my statement that I could not personally take any pride in an award granted to me by a bigoted organization.  I did not intend it as a personal attack directed at you or anyone else.

I'm not willing to associate myself with organizations whose aims, goals, creeds, or requirements for membership I find reprehensible. The only conclusion I draw about people who are willing to associate themselves with such organizations is that they are people who are willing to associate themselves with such organizations.


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Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2006, 02:16:10 PM »
So if you were a member of the nazi party, but...

/godwinned.

Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 07:42:28 PM »
There's a huge difference between associating oneself with an organization and participating in it or even supporting their discrimination. I don't support their policy on gays, but I am nonetheless proud to be an Eagle Scout, because that's an achievement of my own that had nothing to do with their belief system.

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With respect to positions limited to professional Scouters or, because of their close relationship to the mission of Scouting, positions limited to registered members of the Boy Scouts of America, acceptance of the Declaration of Religious Principle, the Scout Oath, and the Scout Law is required.  Accordingly, in the exercise of their constitutional right to bring the values of Scouting to youth members, the Boy Scouts of America will not employ atheists, agnostics, known or avowed homosexuals, or others as professional Scouters or in other capacities in which such employment would tend to interfere with the mission of reinforcing the values of the Scout Oath and the Scout Law in young people.

(from the BSA's own site)

There's no way that I could be proud of an award these bigots gave me, no matter how hard I worked for it. However, if you choose to tout or otherwise celebrate your association with a group that pushes the above load of crap, it's your business. You should be aware, though, that you'll be judged by the company that you keep.

isn't there a Leninist Green poetry reading/latte tasting/teach-in somewhere that you're missing?

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Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2006, 08:25:45 PM »
is this a massive flame?  is the op really proud about something he did when he was 13?  does he really think ls will care/

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Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2006, 08:42:58 PM »
isn't there a Leninist Green poetry reading/latte tasting/teach-in somewhere that you're missing?

There was, but it conflicted with my Radical Vegan political art/hemp crochet/home composting meeting.  Had to choose one.

Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2006, 09:43:25 PM »
As a former Eagle I can say that it never occured to me to mention something from so long ago on my PS.  Scouting didn't even make a footnote in my resume's interests section.  

Basically what I'm saying is, if you haven't done a ton of more interesting stuff since then and have nothing else to write about, sure go ahead and devote one of the cornerstones of your application to something you did about ten years ago.  But be aware of how that might be perceived... But if you're just giving it a casual mention, I don't see how that could hurt.

Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2006, 10:00:50 PM »
Dude, as above, as a former Scout I can understand your frustration with these folks... but their condescension brings up a very valid point.  If you haven't translated your natural abilities into something outlandishly more impressive than nabbing what by all accounts isn't that hard a thing to do (just look at some of those early replys to your post) then an adcomm isn't going to be impressed.  If you think Eagle is going to be a deciding softfactor you're mistaken, soft factors aren't nearly as relevant as we'd all like to believe.

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Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2006, 10:21:55 PM »
Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't plan to write the whole thing on it

You should make this topic your entire PS...maybe even write an addendum about your views of BSA and its controversies.  Perhaps there's some way you can incorporate it all into a diversity statement as well - talk about how people look down on Eagle Scouts and (unless they were one themselves) don't really care about all the hard work that goes into becoming one.  There's a wave here for you to ride, now ride it.

Re: Eagle Scout
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2006, 10:58:44 PM »
Thank God most Americans believe the Boy Scouts, the Salvation Army and the Red Cross are honorable organizations.

As for the garbage written about being "proud" not to be in the Boy Scouts, why don't stop being such self-righteous cocksuckers? Way to confirm every stereotype of leftists.

I live in perhaps the most liberal place in America and I rarely hear such feminine hygiene product-baggery. Get the @#!* over yourselves. You aren't smart or moral because you've decided that emo-socialism is your schtick.