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What if I just forget it for now and reapply?

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2006, 09:02:01 PM »
would a hypothetical scholarship be worth the expense of a master's and the loss of two year's earning potential?

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2006, 09:20:08 PM »
If you know for sure that you want to be a lawyer, I see no reason to withdraw/defer. Most of the people I know who didn't go to LS right from undergrad either hadn't considered law at graduation or weren't 100% convinced it was right for them and wanted some time to think it through. While there are some master's degrees that I think could go well with a JD, I am not sure that criminology would really give you something that would be all that beneficial when looking for a job.

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Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2006, 09:32:43 PM »
Plus, you could always get a joint MA/JD at Cornell.  I think that most law schools allow you to apply during your first year for a joint degree.

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2006, 09:49:45 PM »
This may be a stupid question, but I thought I read an article stating that Cornell was moving the law school to NYC.  When is that going into effect?

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2006, 10:05:00 PM »
would a hypothetical scholarship be worth the expense of a master's and the loss of two year's earning potential?

Well, I've got about half tuition from the Master's program, so that makes the cost slightly more affordable.  The goal during the second year pre-law school is to work, so while I wouldn't be making $100,000, I'd be staying afloat and decreasing the chance of graduating with a LOT of debt.

Also, I think I would be happier knowing I gave law school admissions my best shot.


If you know for sure that you want to be a lawyer, I see no reason to withdraw/defer. Most of the people I know who didn't go to LS right from undergrad either hadn't considered law at graduation or weren't 100% convinced it was right for them and wanted some time to think it through. While there are some master's degrees that I think could go well with a JD, I am not sure that criminology would really give you something that would be all that beneficial when looking for a job.

I disagree.  A lot of my friends who knew they wanted to be lawyers took some time between UG and law school to refresh their brains and feel passionate again about schooling.  Everyone who has done it seems to think it was a good idea, and a lot of folks I've talked to who didn't wish they had.  Also, it seems like most people I've met at admitted students things have taken some time off and found the experience extremely valuable.

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2006, 12:03:30 AM »
Sounds like you know you want to be a lawyer and are just hesitant about your choices for this fall.  Would you consider just working full time for a year and reapplying next cycle?  You could save some money if you were frugal and possibly get a scholarship.
Seems like the masters is unnecessary for your future(I dont know much about this myself, but that is the feel I get from all of the posts) and your "time off" would be better spent gaining some work experience and $$.

Cornell is an amazing choice, but if it is not a place you feel comfortable dont settle.

Thanks.  I don't feel comfortable with either Cornell or GW right now.  If in two years they're still my two choices, then I'll have a different decision to make (and it will be one or the other).  I'm planning on gaining some work experience in the year that I apply to law school (after the Master's), but I see what you are saying.  Thanks for the advice  :)

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2006, 12:27:08 AM »
FWIW, I am getting a JD to go into Tax Law.

I graduated two years ago with my UG degree.  Two years later and I have a somewhat prestigous career in Tax at a Big Four Accounting Firm, a CPA license and an MS in Taxation. 

I don't regret taking the path that I took...   My numbers are garbage because although I graduated UG summa, my cumulative was low (went to 5 UG schools) and I didn't really study for the LSAT.

That being said, my MS, my CPA license and my work experience didn't do sh*t for me (at least that is how I feel), most schools are numbers whores and really the best thing you can do is retake the LSAT.  If I were you I'd take one of your offers and bust ass and try to transfer or re-take the LSAT ASAP and apply next cycle.  As someone else said putting law school on hold for two years is probably not worth it.

As for me, I'm taking the T2 $$ and if I'm meant to be at a better school I'll end up in the top 5% there and transfer... if not, then it is what it is.

I know I just said a lot of crap, but the moral of the story is I would have been better off starting my JD two years ago (I'd be almost done already).

HTH

I can understand that.  For me, I am not ready to be a lawyer in three years.  You end up with the job you will have for however many years RIGHT after law school...I guess I figure I'll be working in law my whole life.  Another two years (probably) won't kill me?

How do you know that your work experience and extra education didn't help you?

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2006, 12:43:21 AM »

How do you know that your work experience and extra education didn't help you?

Just the feeling I get.  Take a look at my LSN. 

I'm not sure I really get your GPA situation, but I'm glad you found a school that works for you (that will give you money).  Most of my reasoning for wanting to take the time to go through this hellish process again is that I think I am a very borderline candidate at many of the schools I was rejected from.  A lot of it will depend on if I can bring my LSAT up a few points, but I think that  I am in a position right now where I am CLOSE to where I need to be to get into my top-choice schools.  I just need a little budge.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2006, 01:03:15 AM »

How do you know that your work experience and extra education didn't help you?

Just the feeling I get.  Take a look at my LSN. 

I'm not sure I really get your GPA situation, but I'm glad you found a school that works for you (that will give you money).  Most of my reasoning for wanting to take the time to go through this hellish process again is that I think I am a very borderline candidate at many of the schools I was rejected from.  A lot of it will depend on if I can bring my LSAT up a few points, but I think that  I am in a position right now where I am CLOSE to where I need to be to get into my top-choice schools.  I just need a little budge.

Of course, I could be wrong.

GPA = 2 years of 2.somethings, then took some time off, transferred and graduated with 3.9.

So 3.9 from my degree school and 3.2 overall.  I thought the 3.9 would be indicative of my abilities, but unfortunately I feel like many schools strictly look at numbers.

As for the LSAT, I feel the same way, I know I could've done better, and I wonder where I would've gotten in with a couple more points, but because of my GPA, I don't think I was looking at T14 anyway, so for me my best move is to go to T2 and see if I have what it takes to be top 5%. 

If I were you, I'd definitely re-take the LSAT, but I'd re-think the Masters.

I mean the Masters didn't get me into better law schools and quite frankly I don't think it (or CPA license) is going to do anything to get me a better job after law school.  Just my .02

Ach, that sucks about your GPA.  Did you attach an addendum or something explaining the situation?  I don't mean to be pushy, it's just that I would kick someone for a 3.9.

I think the Master's program, when explained, will sound pretty good on paper (becoming "change agents," policy analysis, statistics, etc.)  I spoke with one of the deans at GW, who told me I would absolutely be a stronger candidate with a Master's.  I know that GW is not Cornell, but nobody I've spoken to seems to look at the MS at UPenn as a waste of time--it's not Criminology like CSI, but brain-power criminological/sociological legal analysis.

I don't mind adding another degree to my name for after law school.  I think the job market is getting competitive enough, and I already plan to amass some work experience before law school and during the summers--I think another degree that is analysis-based from a good university will only help me in the long run.

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Re: What if I just forget it for now and reapply?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2006, 01:24:21 AM »
lovebutton, this is a big decision and a complicated one at that.  I think you're going to have to take some time out.  I suggest you come visit me, we'll drink some wine (or your preference of an alcoholic drink), get naked, and figure it out from there.  This is a serious decision, and I think we need to get naked and get in the jacuzzi and see what happens.