Quote from: yiplong on March 29, 2006, 10:29:57 PMQuote from: Hooray4CptSpaulding on March 29, 2006, 06:42:41 PMQuote from: yiplong on March 29, 2006, 05:55:08 PMthey are also ranked as top university in the world. Except that they aren't, even UIUC admits so: http://www.publications.uiuc.edu/info/rankings.htmlNow who said they were the top in the world? Maybe USNews for Civil Engineeing, but that's some ineresting exaggeation here, I can think of at least five better schools for engineering alone.Please, what are you talking about? How does the fact that you can think of five better schools for engineering show that Illinois is not a 'top university'? http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htmIllinois ranked 25th on this ranking, and ranked 19th by Times Higher Education Supplement for 200 Best Schools in the world. good luck finding washington and lee on the list. Don't mean to bash the school or anything, but nobody I talked to either in the East Coast, Midwest or Asia has ever heard of Washington and Lee, some have heard of ND, and many confuse BU with BC. Of these schools, only Illinois has any real international reputation. I would assume a Japanese client be more likely to accept service from a lawyer from Illinois than Washington and Lee (everything else being equal). There is little surprise that T14 schools almost always have a strong undergrad/graduate reputation. But of course, W&L is a very good school, the above is just my opinion on how the reputation of the whole university overall might impact the value of your law degree. what about the fact that Illinois' own rankings dont even put them in the t40 PUBLIC schools internationally?...how you think illinois is better known than ND is rediculous...if youre concerned about the layperson opinion, i wouldnt put much stock in illinois' decent (not top) reputation in engineering. unless you have an engineer or engineering firm as a prospective client, they wont have a clue that illinois is in the t20 in engineering. nor will they care...you are an idiot if you dont think anyone on the east coast has heard of w&l. and if youre speaking strictly from an anecdotal perspective of one moron you know then thats equally pointless.
Quote from: Hooray4CptSpaulding on March 29, 2006, 06:42:41 PMQuote from: yiplong on March 29, 2006, 05:55:08 PMthey are also ranked as top university in the world. Except that they aren't, even UIUC admits so: http://www.publications.uiuc.edu/info/rankings.htmlNow who said they were the top in the world? Maybe USNews for Civil Engineeing, but that's some ineresting exaggeation here, I can think of at least five better schools for engineering alone.Please, what are you talking about? How does the fact that you can think of five better schools for engineering show that Illinois is not a 'top university'? http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htmIllinois ranked 25th on this ranking, and ranked 19th by Times Higher Education Supplement for 200 Best Schools in the world. good luck finding washington and lee on the list. Don't mean to bash the school or anything, but nobody I talked to either in the East Coast, Midwest or Asia has ever heard of Washington and Lee, some have heard of ND, and many confuse BU with BC. Of these schools, only Illinois has any real international reputation. I would assume a Japanese client be more likely to accept service from a lawyer from Illinois than Washington and Lee (everything else being equal). There is little surprise that T14 schools almost always have a strong undergrad/graduate reputation. But of course, W&L is a very good school, the above is just my opinion on how the reputation of the whole university overall might impact the value of your law degree.
Quote from: yiplong on March 29, 2006, 05:55:08 PMthey are also ranked as top university in the world. Except that they aren't, even UIUC admits so: http://www.publications.uiuc.edu/info/rankings.htmlNow who said they were the top in the world? Maybe USNews for Civil Engineeing, but that's some ineresting exaggeation here, I can think of at least five better schools for engineering alone.
they are also ranked as top university in the world.
thanks for noting i go to W&L- i leave that at the bottom of my profile for a reason, so people know where i am coming from- i don't know if it is your intent but i feel like you are only mentioning that to basicaly say 'ignore these guys' -i try very hard to be fair when saying anything so maybe i am reading more into that then i should, but still..I repeat what i said before that you offer no real reason for what you are saying. I know you say you aren't 'slamming' W&L but I fail to see how you are doing anything but. My impression is that you are basing your argument on the idea that w&l doesn't have everything for everyone. I don't see how this is anything new. I don't know of many if any schools that offer everything someone would want. Most every school has its tradeoffs. Now I'm trying to see what you are getting at and it seems to me that you are saying that for you personally, w&l does not offer what you want and to you is about as valuable as certain other schools because of those preferences. If so, then thats fine. I would have said last year that to me going to a school like villanova is more valuable then illinois because i wanted to be on the east coast. Illinois is a midwest school just as w&l is an east coast school. To each his own. Thing is, that is not what it sounds like you say. You then argue that w&l is not as good as those other schools without much to show except your opinion. You keep referring to this 'national reputation' but i have no idea where you are coming from. Sure ND has a huge national rep but thats a big exception t othe general rule. ND football is college football. Are you saying that from the people you talk to in your region of the country w&l isn't nearly as national? If so, I can honestly say people here dont think of either iowa or illinois as super steller institutions unless they are in the 'legal know' so to speak. Maybe this is a regional difference, but still you are arguing for a national rep, not a regional one. Also you mention academia reputation. W&L is a small liberal arts college- in fact the only such school with a graduate school. So no, W&L does not have massive labs, does not conduct massive studies, or have D1 football teams.So maybe you are just agreeing with what leiter says? If so, ok, I'll assume you are making his arguments and i'll go hide in the woods somewhere (i think what he says is some of the stupidest 1 sided stuff but thats for another day and i would at least know why you are saying what you do). But I really would like to know where your opinion is coming from. The more you know and understand the more sense things make. I'm trying to see what you are saying but like i've said, I don't yet see it.
Ok, this is absurd. What's going on here is that two people, LitDoc and yiplong, are making totally baseless assertions with little to no justification. LitDoc's assertions, while well stated, are just uninformed (save for by the Leiter rankings, which make research methodolody experts cringe). Yiplong's assertions, both on this thread and others, lead me to the conculsion that he or she is totally unqualified to attend whichever institution he or she so chooses -- have fun missing the forest for the trees wherever you end up.Now, for kingofspain, you should choose W&L over ND if and only if you like the atmosphere and feel of W&L more. The job opportunties, on a national, broadly generalized level, are basically the same. ND does a bit better in some markets, W&L does better in others. They both do about the same in the "random" markets. I make these assertions having done 2 years of job search and summer associate experience at large firms, lest I be accused of baseless assertions. So, holding job opportunity generally equivalent, the only thing left is feel. Do with that what you will.
Quote from: LawyersGunnersnMoney on March 29, 2006, 11:06:59 PMQuote from: yiplong on March 29, 2006, 10:29:57 PMQuote from: Hooray4CptSpaulding on March 29, 2006, 06:42:41 PMQuote from: yiplong on March 29, 2006, 05:55:08 PMthey are also ranked as top university in the world. Except that they aren't, even UIUC admits so: http://www.publications.uiuc.edu/info/rankings.htmlNow who said they were the top in the world? Maybe USNews for Civil Engineeing, but that's some ineresting exaggeation here, I can think of at least five better schools for engineering alone.Please, what are you talking about? How does the fact that you can think of five better schools for engineering show that Illinois is not a 'top university'? http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htmIllinois ranked 25th on this ranking, and ranked 19th by Times Higher Education Supplement for 200 Best Schools in the world. good luck finding washington and lee on the list. Don't mean to bash the school or anything, but nobody I talked to either in the East Coast, Midwest or Asia has ever heard of Washington and Lee, some have heard of ND, and many confuse BU with BC. Of these schools, only Illinois has any real international reputation. I would assume a Japanese client be more likely to accept service from a lawyer from Illinois than Washington and Lee (everything else being equal). There is little surprise that T14 schools almost always have a strong undergrad/graduate reputation. But of course, W&L is a very good school, the above is just my opinion on how the reputation of the whole university overall might impact the value of your law degree. what about the fact that Illinois' own rankings dont even put them in the t40 PUBLIC schools internationally?...how you think illinois is better known than ND is rediculous...if youre concerned about the layperson opinion, i wouldnt put much stock in illinois' decent (not top) reputation in engineering. unless you have an engineer or engineering firm as a prospective client, they wont have a clue that illinois is in the t20 in engineering. nor will they care...you are an idiot if you dont think anyone on the east coast has heard of w&l. and if youre speaking strictly from an anecdotal perspective of one moron you know then thats equally pointless.To be sure, ND overall is less well known than Illinois and W&L has no reputation whatsoever in the Northeast. No one I have talked to has ever heard of W&L, and to be sure, many of them are a lot better educated than you. So next time, check your own credential before calling others 'morons', this might just make you look more stupid than you really are. Even some practicing lawyers in NY that I have talked to (my uncle included) think W&L law school is some kind of TTT.
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