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Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2006, 07:50:26 AM »
Are we for real?  Debating AA up on BLSD?  I musta missed something.

I tried...

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2006, 08:13:27 AM »
Are we for real?  Debating AA up on BLSD?  I musta missed something.

I tried...

Exactly.  The only reason I clicked on this thread was to see what you said.  Have no idea what's been said in the previous 4 (or whatever) pages.

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2006, 10:14:06 AM »

Wow, hold your horses my brother. You obviously lack a life as well as intelligence. If you look at my previous post I blatantly stated the words "PROBABLY", and, "I TAKE IT". Those SIMPLE words indicated that I was making an assumption. An ASSUMPTION is claim without evidence or proof (you should have learned this in middle school). Therefore, your statement about me making generalizations is debunked. The funny part is that you stated the word ASSUMPTION in your previous post, you stated that "it is entirely too easy to say that you have no proof (statistical, empirical, or even anecdotal", that is what an assumption is. It is a statement without proof. In the future please learn the definition of words before you decide to elaborate on them.

I am not going to even entertain the rest of your post. I think it is fair to say that you are not on my intelligence level. In the future I advise you to visit this link: http://dictionary.reference.com/. It is actually quite simple to use, you simply type in a word and it defines it for you. I may entertain the rest of your post when you learn the definition of ASSUMPTION. Once you internalize this basic word, then maybe we could have an intellectual debate. Oh, and the reason why Affirmative Action is probably ignored or deleted on BLSD is because SOME posters like yourself lack BASIC intelligence. I strongly advise you not to make excuses for yourself, if you are a upper class person, you simply do not deserve to benefit from AA. You had more of an opportunity than an indigent individual. Please stick to the thread in the future, do not insult a persons intelligence. In addition to learining the meaning of basic words, you should also take a course in compassion. With all due respect, I did not make any personal references about you, so please do not make any about me. ALWAY REMAIN PROFESSIONAL, DO NOT ACT THE WAY THAT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO ACT.

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Zachary, Zachary, Zachary,

Just for future reference: a line such as, "You obviously lack a life as well as intelligence" falls within the common definition of an Ad Hominem attack.  I hope you will not need to consult your handy dictionary site to understand this first point.  This also resembles your earlier ad hominem, “therefore, many of you are being selfish [sic] and are taking up spots that some poor non-URM person could have. I must say that it is extremely sad.”  Inserting a “probably,” or an, “I take it” does not absolve you of your guilt; nor does it blunt the impact of your words and “assumptions.”  If I say, “you are an idiot,” it is not all too different if I preface this with, “I take it you are an idiot.”  In much the same manner, saying that everyone on the board is “probably” upper middle class or wealthy and that we are being selfish because our acceptances are based on AA policy is no less an affront simply because you took the extra effort to bang out the extra keystrokes.  Your focus on the meaning of the word “assumption” and the very unique, clever, and use of the never-before-resorted-to tactic of referring an opponent to a dictionary belies a lack of deeper thought as to the policy implications of and legal grounds for the present AA policy young man.

And indeed, because you admit that your earlier ramblings were little more than unfounded incendiary intimations, you further served my purpose by undermining the force of any cogent argument that might have been articulated therein.  If we’re debating “assumptions” here then I will assume that everyone on BLSD is came from impoverished backgrounds, overcame tumultuous childhoods, achieved 4.0s in college, and perfect scores on their LSATs.  That assumption then makes all your arguments about Black privilege null and moot. 

You will most certainly object that I cannot simply “assume” that much; it makes no sense and is highly unlikely.  But wait – can I not counter that, “An ASSUMPTION is claim without evidence or proof (you should have learned this in middle school).”  So I have no obligation of proffer proof or defend the veracity of my crazy claims.

This will not be acceptable, I am sure (and if it is, then let me know, because then the debate is over and void of educational value).  Why?  Because when debating the merits of anything -- policy, legal decision, morality – factual considerations are paramount.  In other words, put up or, well, you know the rest of the colloquialism.

Your response is amusing, but in the end, short on substance.  You still have not provided us with any evidence that proves that the current AA policy benefits wealthy Blacks disproportionately (and in turn answered AKAttorney’s fine points), you have not produced any evidence that a SES-based AA will be any better, you have not indicted the constitutional legitimacy of the present policy nor have you provided any legal analysis as to why your approach to AA would be any more constitutional. 

But then again, why should we expect evidence, facts, or persuasive arguments from you at all?  Again, you are just dealing with assumptions, in which case, we will all assume you are wrong.

Lacoste.




Lacoste,

I am somewhat confused about the premise of your posts. You have no argument against (or for) my proposal. Are you simply trying to teach me how to debate properly? If I needed a tutor I would have simply asked. Futhermore, you are the intiator of the personal attacks. I simply followed your lead. Yes, I am admittedly extremely immature. If you throw a stone at me, I will fight back. Until you compose a counter-argument, I see no reason for me to continue communicating with you. If you want to teach people, then become a Professor or a teacher. DO NOT TRY TO TEACH ME, UNLESS I ASK YOU. Actually, I believe that you agree with my proposal. In other words, what is your debate? You are correcting me on my debating techniques, however, I have no content to judge your debating skills. Compose a debate and then maybe I will argue or debate with you.

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2006, 10:56:10 AM »
My argument is specifically this: if your premises (that we're all rich and selfish beneficiaries of AA) are based strictly on assumption, then they are not worth rebutting (because they cannot be substantiated and we can quibble over opinion forever).  If they are based on some sort of fact, then post the source and we can debate that. 

Absent a response from you constituting either an acknowledgement that you cannot substantiate any of your bold claims or providing us with research and evidence that supports your arguments (that AA is unconstitutional, that SES AA would be more constitutional and more effective, that we're all rich and spoiled, etc.), the discussion is dead.

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2006, 11:17:03 AM »
lacoste, let it go and don't waste your time. zachary is a flame account.

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2006, 11:55:27 AM »
BUT DO NOT WAIST MY TIME.

Hehe. 

BTW, This white person does a poor black guy impersonation.

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2006, 11:57:13 AM »
Seconded, "my brother."

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2006, 01:44:31 PM »
Lacoste, my premise was not that "were all rich and selffish beneficiaries of AA". I never stated the word ALL, all would be considered a generalization. I said the word SOME. Please try to be a little accurate in your quotes. You still have not devised a counter-argument, so there is no reason to continue communicating with you about this topic.

To the other posters who accused me of being a FLAME ACCOUNT and WHITE. I am somewhat speechless. Out of curiousity, What would bring you to those inaccurate conclusions? Do you consider me white because I disagree with race based AA? If that is the case, then you are obviously ignorant. Not all African Americans believe in race based AA, that would be considered a GENERALIZATION  ;). So, please enlighten me on why you consider me white? Trust me, I am a proud African American, if I was another race I would have proudly disclosed it to you.

As I stated in previous post, I am a huge proponent of AA. I use to be a huge proponent of race based AA. However, my opionion changed last week. I was hoping that my BROTHERS and SISTERS would change my current state of mind. Sadly, that has not occured. Actually, I have received the exact opposite. I have received information regarding debating techniques, compassion, my attitude, ways to stick around her (BLSD) without making enemies, etc. Sadly, out of nearly 60 posts, no one can tell me how race-based AA is better than economic AA.

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2006, 07:50:03 PM »
Lacoste, my premise was not that "were all rich and selffish beneficiaries of AA". I never stated the word ALL, all would be considered a generalization. I said the word SOME. Please try to be a little accurate in your quotes. You still have not devised a counter-argument, so there is no reason to continue communicating with you about this topic.

To the other posters who accused me of being a FLAME ACCOUNT and WHITE. I am somewhat speechless. Out of curiousity, What would bring you to those inaccurate conclusions? Do you consider me white because I disagree with race based AA? If that is the case, then you are obviously ignorant. Not all African Americans believe in race based AA, that would be considered a GENERALIZATION  ;). So, please enlighten me on why you consider me white? Trust me, I am a proud African American, if I was another race I would have proudly disclosed it to you.

As I stated in previous post, I am a huge proponent of AA. I use to be a huge proponent of race based AA. However, my opionion changed last week. I was hoping that my BROTHERS and SISTERS would change my current state of mind. Sadly, that has not occured. Actually, I have received the exact opposite. I have received information regarding debating techniques, compassion, my attitude, ways to stick around her (BLSD) without making enemies, etc. Sadly, out of nearly 60 posts, no one can tell me how race-based AA is better than economic AA.

I'm writing a 60 page Law Review article with 30 pages of citations about it right now at this very minute.  I'll forward it over to you for your perusal when I'm finished. 

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Re: Affirmative Action. What do you think about it?
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2006, 08:11:21 PM »
Lacoste, my premise was not that "were all rich and selffish beneficiaries of AA". I never stated the word ALL, all would be considered a generalization. I said the word SOME. Please try to be a little accurate in your quotes. You still have not devised a counter-argument, so there is no reason to continue communicating with you about this topic.

To the other posters who accused me of being a FLAME ACCOUNT and WHITE. I am somewhat speechless. Out of curiousity, What would bring you to those inaccurate conclusions? Do you consider me white because I disagree with race based AA? If that is the case, then you are obviously ignorant. Not all African Americans believe in race based AA, that would be considered a GENERALIZATION  ;). So, please enlighten me on why you consider me white? Trust me, I am a proud African American, if I was another race I would have proudly disclosed it to you.

As I stated in previous post, I am a huge proponent of AA. I use to be a huge proponent of race based AA. However, my opionion changed last week. I was hoping that my BROTHERS and SISTERS would change my current state of mind. Sadly, that has not occured. Actually, I have received the exact opposite. I have received information regarding debating techniques, compassion, my attitude, ways to stick around her (BLSD) without making enemies, etc. Sadly, out of nearly 60 posts, no one can tell me how race-based AA is better than economic AA.

I'm writing a 60 page Law Review article with 30 pages of citations about it right now at this very minute.  I'll forward it over to you for your perusal when I'm finished. 

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