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Would you play Devil's Advocate?

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2006, 03:34:11 PM »
First off, You can't take the case and do a bad job, because you would end up winning anyway.  You might as well go to hell fighting.

Personally, I would take the Devil's case.  If you did not, it would go against the oath that everyone has a right to representation.  Once I accepted the money, I would promptly give 1/3 of it to charity, keep 1/3 in a money market account for the children I will have and with the final 1/3, set up a scholarship at whatever LS I attended for my fellow brotha and sistah students.

Just because I did bad, doesn't mean I can't do good. :-\

AND I'm OUT!

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2006, 10:14:20 AM »
First off, You can't take the case and do a bad job, because you would end up winning anyway.  You might as well go to hell fighting.

Personally, I would take the Devil's case.  If you did not, it would go against the oath that everyone has a right to representation.  Once I accepted the money, I would promptly give 1/3 of it to charity, keep 1/3 in a money market account for the children I will have and with the final 1/3, set up a scholarship at whatever LS I attended for my fellow brotha and sistah students.

Just because I did bad, doesn't mean I can't do good. :-\

AND I'm OUT!

Interesting, so you think those good deeds will erase the wrong? Even better, so you feel that defending Satan is wrong?


Hmmm . . . so if I kill Nick Cannon but donate enough money to build a top 10 all black law school, will that erase the wrong?


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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2006, 11:50:41 AM »
Definitely not.

I think this situation embodies the general public's perception of all lawyers: ready to give up their souls for the almighty dollar.

In addition, I think that accepting one offer like this will lead to many others (domino sort of effect), so then what do you become? You'll become the number one lawyer for satan and all his cronies. Okay, so maybe I'm taking this a little too far  :)

I'm sure my religious affiliation and Nigerian background (Igbo tribe) plays a role in my reply, but I know that there are many people who attend church on the regular who would accept the offer in a minute.

So what can I say, accept Just Say No :)

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2006, 12:10:41 PM »
Definitely not.

I think this situation embodies the general public's perception of all lawyers: ready to give up their souls for the almighty dollar.

In addition, I think that accepting one offer like this will lead to many others (domino sort of effect), so then what do you become? You'll become the number one lawyer for satan and all his cronies. Okay, so maybe I'm taking this a little too far  :)

I'm sure my religious affiliation and Nigerian background (Igbo tribe) plays a role in my reply, but I know that there are many people who attend church on the regular who would accept the offer in a minute.

So what can I say, accept Just Say No :)

Whats your take on Nigerian Churches? I heard some of them are corrupt.

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2006, 12:14:46 PM »
Whats your take on Nigerian Churches? I heard some of them are corrupt.
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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I think that in this day and age that comment is true of some of all churches, regardless of religion, demonination, or nation.

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2006, 12:34:57 PM »
I guess I didn't directly answer the question. I agree that some Nigerian churches are corrupt. At the same time, there are also many churches that are fighting for improved conditions in Nigeria in terms of development, education, health, and so on.

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2006, 03:50:04 PM »
United States District Court, W. D. Pennsylvania.
UNITED STATES ex rel. Gerald MAYO
v.
SATAN AND HIS STAFF.
Misc. No. 5357.
Dec. 3, 1971.

Civil rights action against Satan and his servants who allegedly placed deliberate obstacles in plaintiff's path and caused his downfall, wherein plaintiff prayed for leave to proceed in forma pauperis. The District Court, Weber, J., held that plaintiff would not be granted leave to proceed in forma pauperis who in view of questions of personal jurisdiction over defendant, propriety of class action, and plaintiff's failure to include instructions for directions as to service of process.
Prayer denied.


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170A Federal Civil Procedure
  170AXIX Fees and Costs
    170Ak2732 Deposit or Security
      170Ak2734 k. Forma Pauperis Proceedings. Most Cited Cases

Plaintiff would not be granted leave to proceed in forma pauperis in civil rights action against Satan and his servants, who allegedly placed deliberate obstacles in plaintiff's path and caused his downfall, in view of questions of personal jurisdiction over defendant, propriety of class action, and plaintiff's failure to include instructions for directions as to service of process. Fed.Rules Civ.Proc. rule 23, 28 U.S.C.A.; 18 U.S.C.A. 241; 28 U.S.C.A. 1343; 42 U.S.C.A. 1983.
*282 Gerald Mayo, pro se.

MEMORANDUM ORDER

WEBER, District Judge.
Plaintiff, alleging jurisdiction under 18 U.S.C. 241, 28 U.S.C. 1343, and 42 U.S.C. 1983 prays for leave to file a complaint for violation of his civil rights *283 in forma pauperis. He alleges that Satan has on numerous occasions caused plaintiff misery and unwarranted threats, against the will of plaintiff, that Satan has placed deliberate obstacles in his path and has caused plaintiff's downfall.
Plaintiff alleges that by reason of these acts Satan has deprived him of his constitutional rights.
We feel that the application to file and proceed in forma pauperis must be denied. Even if plaintiff's complaint reveals a prima facie recital of the infringement of the civil rights of a citizen of the United States, the Court has serious doubts that the complaint reveals a cause of action upon which relief can be granted by the court. We question whether plaintiff may obtain personal jurisdiction over the defendant in this judicial district. The complaint contains no allegation of residence in this district. While the official reports disclose no case where this defendant has appeared as defendant there is an unofficial account of a trial in New Hampshire where this defendant filed an action of mortgage foreclosure as plaintiff. The defendant in that action was represented by the preeminent advocate of that day, and raised the defense that the plaintiff was a foreign prince with no standing to sue in an American Court. This defense was overcome by overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Whether or not this would raise an estoppel in the present case we are unable to determine at this time.
If such action were to be allowed we would also face the question of whether it may be maintained as a class action. It appears to meet the requirements of Fed.R. of Civ.P. 23 that the class is so numerous that joinder of all members is impracticable, there are questions of law and fact common to the class, and the claims of the representative party is typical of the claims of the class. We cannot now determine if the representative party will fairly protect the interests of the class.
We note that the plaintiff has failed to include with his complaint the required form of instructions for the United States Marshal for directions as to service of process.
For the foregoing reasons we must exercise our discretion to refuse the prayer of plaintiff to proceed in forma pauperis.
It is ordered that the complaint be given a miscellaneous docket number and leave to proceed in forma pauperis be denied.

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2006, 09:32:07 AM »
First off, You can't take the case and do a bad job, because you would end up winning anyway.  You might as well go to hell fighting.

Personally, I would take the Devil's case.  If you did not, it would go against the oath that everyone has a right to representation.  Once I accepted the money, I would promptly give 1/3 of it to charity, keep 1/3 in a money market account for the children I will have and with the final 1/3, set up a scholarship at whatever LS I attended for my fellow brotha and sistah students.

Just because I did bad, doesn't mean I can't do good. :-\

AND I'm OUT!

Interesting, so you think those good deeds will erase the wrong? Even better, so you feel that defending Satan is wrong?


Hmmm . . . so if I kill Nick Cannon but donate enough money to build a top 10 all black law school, will that erase the wrong?



Well, considering my feelings on Nick Cannon are the way they are, I don't think I should comment on your hypothetical situation for fear of invalidating my argument or incriminating myself.

Secondly, I believe if you do something wrong to produce good (your view of "good" is objective, of course) all is righted and should be considered a very selfless act.  If you need to go through hell in order to raise others to heaven, it's all worth it.

And taking into account the amount of African-American youths that could have the opportunity to get into HYS or any other good school for that matter, without the funds or connections to get in; I would do anything to get them there.

The wellfare of my people means more to me than my conscience.

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2006, 10:52:47 AM »
Interesting, so you think those good deeds will erase the wrong? Even better, so you feel that defending Satan is wrong?


Hmmm . . . so if I kill Nick Cannon but donate enough money to build a top 10 all black law school, will that erase the wrong?



But yer assuming that killing Nick Cannon would be wrong. There are several individuals, including Christina Millian and everyone who paid to see "Love Don't Cost a Thing", that would support your Vengeful execution of Nick Cannon.

Death of a annoying Pop Star notwithstanding, I'd represent the Devil. That's my job. Why doesn't he (assuming he choose to remain in a coporeal form and live the life of a human) deserve proper representation.

What right do I have to place my religious values and belief ahead of another individuals basic Rights as an American (why the hell would be choose to be an American) citizen.

What if I was an atheist? Would I be free from this moral squabble and represent the Devil with all the rewards and no consequences?

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Re: Would you play Devil's Advocate?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2006, 10:36:17 PM »
I say REPRESENT!!!!! 
Those that say no, are you ONLY going to represent good wholesome innocent people???