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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2008, 08:20:45 AM »

This is true.  Rich blacks don't have enough to eat.  They don't have adequate clothing and shelter.  They can't afford private schools and tutors.  All these things are denied them because of the color of their skin. 

Not.

Apparently, the only people more self-serving and out of touch than rich whites are (some) rich minorities.

Yes, but Lindbergh, Grutter determined that the point of URMness was that, well, you guys just f-ing don't get it, so it's to the benefit of all that we actually sit in class and rub it in your face. 

If that's your (obviously incorrect) reading of Grutter, than that's yet another reason why it was clearly a mistaken decision.  Fortunately, later courts will overrule it, just as Dred Scott (and other racist decisions) were eventually overruled by wiser heads.

The only people who don't get it are the mindless white, rich libs, and the minorities who buy into this BS victimology.  Fortunately, more and more minorities are realizing this is a crock of BS, and are turning away from it.

I'm sure your classmates will truly benefit from your mindless prattlings once you start school, though.  Thank god the clueless poor and working-class whites who got in on their own merits will have you to help them understand how hard it is to have a great-grandmother who was part oglala.

P.S.:  I'm far more URM than you'll ever be, and yet I don't whine about it, or hold myself up as someone who can somehow enlighten others in LS simply by virtue of my ethnicity.  Maybe you could work on that.

Yawn.  I don't have a drop of Oglala in me, not that I know of.  Do you know something that I don't, or are you just making the general assumption that anyone who posts on LSD as NDN must not actually be NDN?  And if so, why would you make that assumption?  (The cynical part of me hopes it's not because you don't believe NDNs actually belong in US law schools.  But you really do have a special place in your anger for us, as indicated from the frequency of your posts on this topic.)

Should we once again go over Oliphant?  Ex Parte Crow Dog?  Cobell? 

Are these the animals in your local petting zoo?


Did you learn anything, and do you think, in any way, shape or form, that you could argue for tribes to have jurisdiction over major crimes in Indian Country?   

Why would I want do?  Don't they deserve the same advanced system of justice present everywhere else?

That's kind of the point, neh?  We don't have it, despite the flowery words of Rehnquist, Ginsburg et al.

Well, until you can, the paltry number of acculturated Indians (maybe 50% of the 400 +/- who apply every year) make up the overwhelming number of potential lawyers who actually give a hoot,

So when do we ever talk about the realities of URMness, and not the sham you tend to perpetuate, Lindy?   


One could argue that you're the only one perpetuating a sham here -- perhaps pretending to be a "native american", and to care about native americans, when all you really want to do is get into the best law school possible.  (All I'm doing is pointing out the realities of AA, and why it doesn't make sense, even though I supposedly "benefit" from a system that holds certain groups to lower standards.)

The sad thing is, you're bright enough to get in on your own merits, and yet you buy into (and support) a system that perpetuates negative stereotypes, perpetuates ethnic divisions, perpetuates racism, and in the end will only stigmatize your own achievements, and limit your ability to succeed. 

The whole thing, honestly, makes me sick, as does your apparent short-sighted willingess to accomodate it.  It should have the same effect on anyone else who truly believes in equality of opportunity, and a race-blind, merit-based system of achievement and education.

I again hope this helps.

P.S.:  You really think native americans are best off self-segregating on reservations?  Examine the data.  This doesn't appear to be the case.

P.S.:  You really think native americans are best off self-segregating on reservations?  Examine the data.  This doesn't appear to be the case.


I believe people have a right to live in their own nations, with their own culture, laws, traditions, language, etc.  Are you in favor of getting rid of all national boundaries, Lindy - of having a One World government?  It may be a noble goal, but not one I think we'll soon see.  Thus, in the meantime, I support respecting national boundaries and the identities contained within.

And I'm LOLing at your rants on my purported lack of NDNness - if only I'd had the foresight of knowing all my actions for the past 44 years were solely to get me into a highly ranked (by a ranking system that didn't even exist when I was born) law school.  Heck, if I was that psychic, I would have developed the PC - or even Post-Its.  ;D
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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2008, 10:45:36 PM »
P.S.:  There no such thing as "institutionalized racism,"

Oh, that we could all have the privilege of living as if this were true.

I honestly have no time (or energy) to discuss this with you. My experience with your posts over the past year or so is that a constructive dialogue is not really possible on the AA issue until we can nail down some of the basics.  My only hope is that one day you will break outside of whatever world you live that allows you to turn a blind eye to the historical and contemporary obstacles set before members of certain classes so that you can talk --and I mean, really talk and relate--to those who have lived and continue to live the experiences that you don't seem to believe exist.  In the meantime, see if your law school offers a course or two that can at least help you begin to frame the issues and the larger macro/structural forces that have always been at play in this nation. 
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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2009, 12:17:00 AM »
..."There's no such thing as institutional racism"? How ig...?! What do you call a penal system that imposes disparate sentences for the use or distribution of "Crack" Cocaine (favored by ethnic minorities because, 'Caine, in its altered form is much cheaper to produce and, thus, purchase), and the use or distribution of the powder form of the drug, heavily favored by whites? Sentencing disparaties are the easiest example of "institutional racism", but there are many more...from redlining to predatory lending practices (eg. "payday loans"), from discipline in schools to the use of "'standardized' exams" that have been proven to be anything but standard..not to mention the fact that Black and Hispanic men who kill are three times as likely to receive the death penalty.

Institutional racism, as described in the above-cited examples is not fiction cooked up by well-meaning white libs, but a fact of American life substantiated by real statistics. 




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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2009, 01:57:07 PM »
Not only is the above post merely spam (embedded links) but it's incorrect.  You do not have to a member of a FRIT - you can also be a member of a non-FRIT tribe, or you can be associated with either, but not enrolled for various reasons.

What an idiot.  :P
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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2009, 10:12:27 PM »
I know that to get Native rights the tribes make you take a DNA test, but for schools I think multi racial people can pick either box they want. Remember untill just a few decades ago 1/8 black was black for legal reasons with the "seperate but equal" system. You are twice that much of your seond race. I'd say if you look dark with high cheek bones and thick hair you'll not get messed with too much. Just dont be one of those guys who's whitter than bleached paper and bragging about his nonwhite heritage. I see people doing that, it pisses everyone off.(especially if you do it on a casino) I am pretty sure that its your choice though since I have known mixed race people who mark either or as they chose.


I do identify with it culturally, and have somewhat strong ties to it through both sides of the family, but genetically I am only 1/4 NA. Should I still mark it? I did on my UG stuff. 

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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2009, 09:39:59 AM »
I know that to get Native rights the tribes make you take a DNA test, but for schools I think multi racial people can pick either box they want. Remember untill just a few decades ago 1/8 black was black for legal reasons with the "seperate but equal" system. You are twice that much of your seond race. I'd say if you look dark with high cheek bones and thick hair you'll not get messed with too much. Just dont be one of those guys who's whitter than bleached paper and bragging about his nonwhite heritage. I see people doing that, it pisses everyone off.(especially if you do it on a casino) I am pretty sure that its your choice though since I have known mixed race people who mark either or as they chose.

You have absolutely no f*cking clue as to what you're talking about.  Please, STOP providing false and misleading information.  Just STOP.  You're becoming a menace.
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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2009, 10:20:34 AM »
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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2009, 10:26:26 AM »
The only thing I can do at this thread is to LOL. It's that or cry.

My advice for anyone reading: Listen to MBW.

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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2009, 10:37:00 AM »
I'm waiting patiently for JD2013's appeal to authority by claiming his great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess.

If he does that I'll personally kick his ass.

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Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2009, 10:42:18 AM »
I'm waiting patiently for JD2013's appeal to authority by claiming his great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess.

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