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IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2006, 11:03:47 AM »

    We are not any safer for our invasion of the sovereign nation of Iraq. In our occupation, we contradict the most basic of our nation's values of freedom, liberty, and democracy.


your whole argument hinges on the idea that iraq was a "sovereign nation".

the notion of a "sovereign nation" when the indigenous peoples are subjugated to "strongman regime" oppression is naive and incongruous.  husseins' brutal grip on the tribes cast aside this "lofty expression".  the baath party regime with its hussein family leadership was carving bloody marks...deep punctures...suffocating any thought the iraqi people may have of freedom, liberty or democracy...

when your side has a gaping hole torn into it and your life blood is pouring out it is impossible to think of yourself as a whole person...let alone one who has rights and liberty...the bloodletting needed to be stopped.  let us see what the people of iraq have to say...shall we?  their outcome is watched by the world.

(A world where Southern planters ruled their slaves with the lash was a world where Northerners' rights could never be secure; if birth and privilege and caste reigned supreme in the South, those things would more easily reign elsewhere, closer to Northern homes. Lincoln had it right: Either democracy and freedom would go on to new heights or they might well "perish from the earth." )

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2006, 08:26:29 PM »
I agree with the gist of Stuntz's article, though Fullwood has some points as well. They are not completely antagonistic pieces.

If you study Lincoln you'll realize he made some pretty horrible decisions as well (illegally suspending habeas corpus etc.). The Lincoln's best defense is that he was dealing with a larger crisis.

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2006, 09:57:55 PM »
I agree with the gist of Stuntz's article, though Fullwood has some points as well. They are not completely antagonistic pieces.

If you study Lincoln you'll realize he made some pretty horrible decisions as well (illegally suspending habeas corpus etc.). The Lincoln's best defense is that he was dealing with a larger crisis.

interesting...
quelling the naysayers...and shedding light on a bigger picture...that blooms satiety.

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2006, 06:01:11 AM »
obi-wan, you so magnificent.

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2006, 10:46:58 AM »
I agree with the gist of Stuntz's article, though Fullwood has some points as well. They are not completely antagonistic pieces.

If you study Lincoln you'll realize he made some pretty horrible decisions as well (illegally suspending habeas corpus etc.). The Lincoln's best defense is that he was dealing with a larger crisis.

aye like this closing passage...


(Two-and-a-half years ago, our armed forces set out to fight a small war with a small objective. Today we find ourselves in a larger war with a larger and vastly better purpose. It would be one of history's sadder ironies were we to turn away because that better purpose is not the one we set out to achieve. Either we fight the fight our enemies have chosen until they are defeated or (better still) dead, or millions of Muslim men and women may lose their "last, best hope"--and we may face a mushroom cloud over Manhattan, the work of one of the many Mohammed Attas that Middle Eastern autocracies have bred over the last generation. The choice belongs not to the president alone, but to all of us. Here's hoping we choose as wisely as Lincoln's generation did.)

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2006, 06:06:00 AM »
well, warmongers have to say something to justify slaughter.

funny, though, how they hate discussing slaughter.

and remember:  kurds = turds.

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2006, 08:17:34 PM »
well, warmongers have to say something to justify slaughter.

funny, though, how they hate discussing slaughter.

and remember:  kurds = turds.

naive mr. fern...the kurds are the people in iraq who were  slaughtered as well as shia's.

you are childish in your remarks because you are naive to the history of the country...

hussein and his kids had been  slaughtering people who spoke out against him or organized to remove him and his brutal regime...

you apparently do not recognize this IMPORTANT bit of information...

read a history book! putz!

re read the original two posts in this thread...it should explain it all for your puny gray matter and the phlegmatic humor in which it sits.

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2006, 05:34:36 AM »
well, warmongers have to say something to justify slaughter.

funny, though, how they hate discussing slaughter.

and remember:  kurds = turds.

naive mr. fern...the kurds are the people in iraq who were slaughtered as well as shia's.

you are childish in your remarks because you are naive to the history of the country...

hussein and his kids had been slaughtering people who spoke out against him or organized to remove him and his brutal regime...

you apparently do not recognize this IMPORTANT bit of information...

read a history book! putz!

re read the original two posts in this thread...it should explain it all for your puny gray matter and the phlegmatic humor in which it sits.

yes, yes, you only person in whole world who know about s.h.  get over self.

just as s.h. never liked to discuss slaughter of his own people, you try to avoid discussing slaughter you advocate.  justify it if can, but can't possibly justify it if not even acknowledging it.

numbnuts.

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2006, 05:36:39 AM »
i cannot argue the overwhelming logic of the large italic font.

it's just devastating, really.

yes.  it truly humbled julie.

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Re: IRAQ: STEADY! HOLDFAST! NOBLE!
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2006, 11:13:52 AM »

yes, yes, you only person in whole world who know about s.h.  get over self.

just as s.h. never liked to discuss slaughter of his own people, you try to avoid discussing slaughter you advocate.  justify it if can, but can't possibly justify it if not even acknowledging it.

numbnuts.

Ouch. Poor naif: he tried to take on Julie. Bluewarrior now just blue.