What if your ugly?

[Emolee]

Your weight will change if you eat less and/or exercise more, but it will only change from YOUR starting point.

A group of randomly chosen people who take on the exact same "lifestyle"- food and exercise- will end up at different weights.  On an average healthy diet and exercise program, some will be thin-thin, some will be average and some will be heavy.

Just as some people can eat whatever they want and not exercise and be size twos (we all know these people), there also exist people who can eat very moderately and exercise and still be on the heavy side.

Consider the LSAT.  For everyone, the more you study and prepare, the better your score; however, just because two people both studied the same number of hours does NOT mean that they will both end up with the same score.

There are people that start at 163 (me) with no prep and people that cannot hit 163 (my girlfriend, we'll call her Heather) even after devoting 3 months of non-stop studying to it.

On the other hand, Heather eats all the time, never goes to the gym and is a size 2 while I am struggling, struggling to be a size 10- working out, dieting, etc.

So saying one won't be fat if she/he just eats normally is like saying that one will score in the 170s if she/he just studies.  We all coem from different starting places and can improve from there, but we have unique limitations.

that's my 2 cents!!

[SCgrad]

so some people are gifted with certain things and some others.  If you ask me, there are tons of ugly and fat people who are extremely successful, so I don't see this so-called discrimination as legit.

[HK]

so some people are gifted with certain things and some others.  If you ask me, there are tons of ugly and fat people who are extremely successful, so I don't see this so-called discrimination as legit.

So as long as a certain amount are successful, discrimination is not legit?

[SCgrad]

so some people are gifted with certain things and some others.  If you ask me, there are tons of ugly and fat people who are extremely successful, so I don't see this so-called discrimination as legit.

So as long as a certain amount are successful, discrimination is not legit?

no, just anecdotal evidence that the discrimination is fabricated.
i doubt you could even prove that it exists, so how could you propose to remedy it?

[HK]

so some people are gifted with certain things and some others.  If you ask me, there are tons of ugly and fat people who are extremely successful, so I don't see this so-called discrimination as legit.

So as long as a certain amount are successful, discrimination is not legit?

no, just anecdotal evidence that the discrimination is fabricated.
i doubt you could even prove that it exists, so how could you propose to remedy it?

I am sure there are "tons" of successful latinos. Does that make discrimination not legit?

[SCgrad]

so some people are gifted with certain things and some others.  If you ask me, there are tons of ugly and fat people who are extremely successful, so I don't see this so-called discrimination as legit.

So as long as a certain amount are successful, discrimination is not legit?

no, just anecdotal evidence that the discrimination is fabricated.
i doubt you could even prove that it exists, so how could you propose to remedy it?

I am sure there are "tons" of successful latinos. Does that make discrimination not legit?

This is in no way a response to what I wrote.  Okay, try to understand what I am actually saying.  There is no proof that this discrimination exists.  If you could prove it existed and propose a realistic remedy, I am all ears. 

I got this from dictionary.com for "legitimate" - Authentic; genuine: a legitimate complaint

that is how I am using the word, okay.  please answer in this scope.

also, while I did say "tons" you have now assumed that I meant "tons" as in “many but not a proportionate number,” correct?  What is your basis for this leap of logic (seeing that Latinos are underrepresented in terms of "success")?

[HK]

"There is no proof that this discrimination exists.  If you could prove it existed and propose a realistic remedy, I am all ears. "

Discrimination against overweight people.

http://www.obesity.org/discrimination/educa.shtml

http://loveyourbody.nowfoundation.org/factsheet4.html

Proof that taller people have an advantage.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/standing.html

When you said "tons" i simply took it at face value.

Anyway, that's why unlike some others I don't find this thread stupid at all. There are plenty of people in society with advantage and disadvantage. Maybe in the end AA shouldn't be given to people who are "ugly", shorter and obese...but it should be discussed.

[SCgrad]

"There is no proof that this discrimination exists.  If you could prove it existed and propose a realistic remedy, I am all ears. "

Discrimination against overweight people.

http://www.obesity.org/discrimination/educa.shtml

http://loveyourbody.nowfoundation.org/factsheet4.html

Proof that taller people have an advantage.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/standing.html

When you said "tons" i simply took it at face value.

Anyway, that's why unlike some others I don't find this thread stupid at all. There are plenty of people in society with advantage and disadvantage. Maybe in the end AA shouldn't be given to people who are "ugly", shorter and obese...but it should be discussed.

those are interesting studies, but couldn't it be possible that certain characteristics that lead someone (in general) to be overweight could also lead them to be less confident and personable?  Two things that are very helpful.  Also, like the study says, height breeds confidence, so it might not be a case of discrimination.  Also, some of that seemed a little ridiculous, lower chances of admission?  When do colleges ever see applicants?  (You showed nothing about ugly people, the actual topic of the thread, btw)  But even if discrimination does exist, is there a fair and legitimate way of dealing with it?

[lww02]

"There is no proof that this discrimination exists.  If you could prove it existed and propose a realistic remedy, I am all ears. "

Discrimination against overweight people.

http://www.obesity.org/discrimination/educa.shtml

http://loveyourbody.nowfoundation.org/factsheet4.html

Proof that taller people have an advantage.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/standing.html

When you said "tons" i simply took it at face value.

Anyway, that's why unlike some others I don't find this thread stupid at all. There are plenty of people in society with advantage and disadvantage. Maybe in the end AA shouldn't be given to people who are "ugly", shorter and obese...but it should be discussed.

Here here! And also thank you Lily for your posts in this thread.

[lww02]

also highly recomended:
Losing It: False Hopes and Fat Profits in the Diet Industry  by Laura Fraser